Posted on 03/22/2012 8:17:42 PM PDT by marktwain
There has never been any question that Zimmerman shot this guy ( note I did not say Kid—someone six feet tall is no child.)
I just wish the media would keep their uninformed opinions to themselves. I listened to A Cooper last night and his side comments were just horrible.
How likely are you to get into a fist fight with a man who you know has a gun? Versus trying to run away? A 17 year old athlete WILL be able to outrun a chubby 240 pound guy.
It's more likely that Martin did not know Zimmerman had a gun before the second that Zimmerman shot him.
Plus, even back when I was 17, I would not be likely to be walking 4 miles round trip, in the rain, to get skittles. The ONLY thing that would have had me walking 4 miles in the rain would have been if I was escorting a pretty girl. Then again, if my primary purpose for walking around was to case the neighborhood, then stopping off for a snack in the process would be likely.
How far away from Martin was Zimmerman when he shot?
And, more to the point, why surmise, without any evidence, that Martin, who had been trying to avoid Zimmerman suddenly turned aggressive and attacked Zimmerman, who, buy his own taped account was the aggressor?
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Oh, I get you now....you're one of those guys who, in spite of the lack of any evidence of any kind, want to depict the dead teen as a criminal...
There is very little real evidence, and much of it is contradictory. As such, there is no basis, except speculation, in thinking that Martin was casing the neighborhood for robbery. Just as there is no evidence, except speculation, that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense when he shot Martin.
If you are attacking me with your fists, I only need my right hand free for a second to draw and fire.
How far away from Martin was Zimmerman when he shot?
In all accounts, they were in physical contact, so powder burn analysis will verify that.
And, more to the point, why surmise, without any evidence, that Martin, who had been trying to avoid Zimmerman suddenly turned aggressive and attacked Zimmerman, who, buy his own taped account was the aggressor?
Teenagers have been doing odd irrational things for all of recorded history.
Really, aren't you better than this?
I'm waiting for the final police report and autopsy.
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But there is evidence of both Zimmerman's and Martin's behavior...the tape of Zimmerman talking to the PD.
In this tape Zimmerman describes Martin running away - a non-aggressive act that avoids confrontation - and exactly what you would want your teenager to do.
The same tape shows Zimmerman's aggressive actions of following both in car and on foot.
One was unarmed and avoided contact - one pursued with a gun.
You can believe what he said and was recorded on the 911 tape, which was: "f'n coons".
The rest he said was a lie to cover his desire and intent to shoot Martin for his own racist pleasure. He already told the cops that Martin had his hand in his waistband and had something in his hand, so he never would have let Martin attack him w/o having pulled his gun out first -if he was actually in fear of him as an attacker. He wasn't in fear of Martin though, because he was armed and ready to shoot him after he egged Martin on to attack him him with a flurry of racial slurs. That attack was Zimmerman's planned cover of self defense for the murder.
The killer of an unarmed kid made it a racial issue when he said, "f'n coons" for the 911 recording.
No, not a genius; just a sociopath. The bad guys generally do that for the crowd to generate, or maintain some fog and cover. Zimmerman had a gun and was already to use it on the person he already indicated to the police he thought was armed and referred to as a "f'n coon".
The too quick to lie for race baiting purposes females will have blood on their hands when other less discerning black punks decide to ‘get even with whitey’. What Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackasson have created is a ‘race chip on the shoulder, thug wannabe class of blacks’ who are as useless as teets n a boar hog but who can be herded to riot and mayhem and vote for democrats like the blind doofuses they have been raised to be. Now, for reference, this is not the case for black people who have been active in raising their children to have discernment and seek an education TO BETTER THEMSELVES rather than wait for the federal democrap oligarchy to feed them from their stash!
Known truth: You are an agitprop race bating troll stinking up Freerepublic for a hidden agenda that is not so hidden anymore.
Known truth: You are an agitprop race baiting troll stinking up Freerepublic for a hidden agenda that is not so hidden anymore.
Your post #59 is excellent. It’s exactly what I’ve thought. Trayvon reasonably felt menaced.
I won’t speculate on whether or not Zimmerman “caught up with Martin...,” or not, but I will maintain, as I have said all along, that Zimmerman, through his ill-advised action of getting out of his vehicle with a weapon to confront Martin, precipitated the events that followed.
Does that mean Zimmerman is a murderer by legal definition? No. A jury trial must sort that out.
On another forum someone copied recent FB photos of Martin and he had “gang” expressions and looked like a typical thug. Had been suspended from school.
MHGinTN is absolutely correct and numerous people on FR know it as well.
From the Charleston Conservative Examiner:
1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin’s father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.
Trayvon Martin was a towering 6’2” football player.
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