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To: muawiyah
The 911 recordings do nothing to show Zimmerman’s guilt, it be used to show that he might be bigoted. Cops never want to release anything. That is not new and does nothing to show the guilt or innocence of Zimmerman.

Nothing you said supports either guilt of innocence of Zimmerman, it only shows that the cops are not releasing everything and that the news sucks.

Why a very forceful condemnation of Zimmerman on scant evidence.

Maybe Zimmerman attacked the kid or maybe Martin attacked him. Certainly enough doubt to go either way here. Normally I will go with not guilty without more info.

153 posted on 03/22/2012 10:35:40 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

Zimmerman’s voice is in the recordings that’ve been released. He initiated the contact.


164 posted on 03/22/2012 7:09:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ratman83
Ratman83 said: "... it only shows that the cops are not releasing everything ..."

It's probably good police work to withhold physical evidence at least until all the witnesses can be interviewed.

If, for example, Zimmerman's account conflicts with statements he made in the 911 call, that could indicate an attempt to deceive.

If Zimmerman made any statements to police after the shooting and without legal representation, then it might confirm some peoples' suspicion that he is a fool.

Neither Zimmerman nor Martin had justification to assault the other. My understanding of "assault" is that no contact is necessary, only the justified fear of attack.

It seems reasonable to me that Martin may have been assaulted by Zimmerman's behavior in following him. This might justify Martin defending himself, but Martin's justification for taking action against Zimmerman ends if Zimmerman retreats sufficiently. At some point during a retreat by Zimmerman, Martin's actions can become an assault against Zimmerman.

The very words "Stand Your Ground" reflect the reality that one is not justified in continuing response to an attack after the attacker has withdrawn. You can stand your ground, but you can't gain ground or take the other guy's ground.

It seems to me that the challenge for a prosecutor will be to prove that Zimmerman did assault Martin and that following that assault, Zimmerman did not withdraw effectively enough to eliminate Martin's right to defend himself.

166 posted on 03/22/2012 8:42:49 PM PDT by William Tell
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