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To: Pelham
Actually, it works very well. It doesn't matter what end of the "class struggle" these two were on, they are playing on the same field, that of marxist doctrine. It's like saying that because Hitler hated Jews and the KKK hated blacks that it somehow meant that they didn't subscribe to the same basic fundamental principle.

Fitzhugh, whom you keep dodging, PRECISELY explained this and said that while he was a member of the "master" class, it was a "burden" and the "poor masters" had to take care of everyone else.

And I don't care WHY "historians" focus on these things. They can focus on the wrong things and still expose the truth of a subject. No, it is you neo-confederates who are seeking to defend not only slavery, but also communism (small "c") as it was understood by Fitzhugh and Marx, Owen and Calhoun. And regardless of who they "championed," everyone ended up in chains---except them, presumably.

147 posted on 03/31/2012 9:43:12 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

“Fitzhugh, whom you keep dodging, “

I’m not dodging George Fitzhugh, I’m simply not in the habit of discussing figures whose work I don’t know.

I can see how that might be an alien concept to you, considering your innovative policy of referring to all and sundry as being Marxists, irrespective of their having lived before Marx could have come their attention.

A cursory look at Fitzhugh at wikipedia indicates that the major influence on his thinking was Thomas Carlyle, and that among his acquaintances were abolitionists Gerrit Smith and Wendell Phillips.

When I google George Fitzhugh and Karl Marx I get references to Eugene Genovese, the marxist historian who studied the South. And an article by C Vann Woodward characterizing Fitzhugh as Sui Generi and who had this to say about him:

“It would be misleading, however, to leave the impression that George Fitzhugh was typical of the Southern thinkers of his period or representative of the pro-slavery thought or of agrarian thought. Fitzhugh was not typical of anything. Fitzhugh was an individual — sui generis. There is scarcely a tag or a generalization or a cliche normally associated with the Old South that would fit him without qualification. Fitzhugh’s dissent usually arose out of his devotion to logic rather than out of sheer love of the perverse, but evidence warrants a suspicion that he took a mischievous delight in his perversity and his ability to shock. He once wrote teasingly to his friend George Frederick Holmes, referring to his Sociology for the South, “It sells the better because it is odd, eccentric, extravagant, and disorderly.”3 He was always a great one for kicking over the traces, denying the obvious, and taking a stand on his own.”

Somehow there is a paucity of information on George Fitzhugh, Marxist. Go figure. There’s an opportunity for you to break new ground and put an end that historical lacuna.


154 posted on 03/31/2012 2:38:55 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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