Posted on 03/05/2012 7:58:47 PM PST by Fred
Rick Santorum's pitch to Republican voters is simple: He is the "true" and "consistent" conservative in the GOP's presidential nomination fight. He describes himself as "a candidate who, throughout [his] career, has not only checked the box on conservative issues but has fought for conservative issues." And he slams front-runner Mitt Romney for flip-flopping on abortion and the Wall Street bailouts and, most of all, for passing government-mandated health care reform in Massachusetts. If elected president, Santorum vows, he will end the "tyranny" of President Obama's Affordable Care Act.
Yet as an up-and-coming congressman in the early 1990s, Santorum took a much different line. Then—like now—health care was one of the nation's most divisive issues. In 1993
(Excerpt) Read more at motherjones.com ...
You clearly don’t read or watch anything, as you say, you “don’t care”.
I posted a video of him saying the opposite in 1994. Can you provide the video where he’s saying these things? TIA
I just posted two direct quotes. There are many many others. Google is your friend. I’ll find the video I mentioned. It was actually posted here. It’s a Tea Party gathering I believe.
Wow. A video of Arlen Specter from 1995. You’re getting pretty desperate. That probably would’ve worked to get me to vote against Arlen Specter, I suppose. Heh. Doesn’t affect my opinion of Rick Santorum in the least.
Rick Santorum’s record simply does not reflect an intent to “destroy the pro-life movement”.
I get it. You like Newt better than Rick. But, this is just silly. I cannot imagine a circumstance where an 18-year-old video of Arlen Specter would make any difference at all in a race between Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.
A case can be made for Newt without contorting Rick Santorum’s record into something its not.
SnakeDoc
Just because I find your argument less-than-compelling doesn’t mean I didn’t hear it. I heard you. I understood you. I’m convinced that you’re wrong. You’re getting lost in your own rhetoric. There is a case to be made that Gingrich is a better candidate than Santorum. I’m fine with that. I get it.
But, arguing that Rick Santorum is a pro-choice, big government, socialist, pro-Obamacare, liberal whack-job is just silly. I don’t bet anyone who isn’t already in solidly in Gingrich’s or Romney’s camp is going to buy what you’re selling.
You’re making the wrong case. There is a compelling case for Gingrich ... but this isn’t it.
SnakeDoc
You are ignoring that Santorum was endorsing Specter's platform, to make the GOP pro-abortion.
Why was Santorum, who was pro-abortion all of his life, who admits that he switched to a weak pro-life position to run for office (like Romney), join Specter's Presidential run to have Specter make the Republican party a pro-abortion Party?
Why did Santorum continue backing Specter, even in 2004?
Wow! Google “rick santorum big government” or search “rick santorum big government” on YouTube. It’s like a goldmine!
It didn’t end in 2004, remember that in 2008, Santorum was pushing Specters weak cousin, the aggressively pro-abortion, Mitt Romney for President.
I’m not ignoring anything. So, he endorsed Specter ... bad endorsement. Still doesn’t convince me he’s not pro-life. And Gingrich supported Nelson Rockefeller over Barry Goldwater ... and I don’t care about that either.
I need not agree with every endorsement he’s ever made. I’m not ignoring ... I genuinely don’t care about Specter or Rockefeller.
SnakeDoc
>> It didn’t end in 2004, remember that in 2008, Santorum was pushing Specters weak cousin, the aggressively pro-abortion, Mitt Romney for President.
Isn’t that the same year Gingrich did a climate change ad with Nancy Pelosi?
Endorsing Romney over McCain in 2008 is hardly a high crime. We didn’t have any perfect candidates then ... and we don’t have any now.
SnakeDoc
Good God, you seem to have no sense of perspective. Comparing that ad to endorsing the aggressively pro-abortion and hard left candidate, Romney in 2008
Getting kicked out of office in a record breaking landslide, largely because he had kept pushing the man who would destroy the pro-life movement into 2004?
Supporting a Presidential candidate who’s primary, announced platform was to kick out the pro-life movement from the GOP?
Campaigning for Christine Whitman and saying that they agreed 95% of the time?
Heck the guy was even anti-Reagan, he thought his supporters were extremists.
I guess your Romney statement explains why none of this is of interest to you.
If you say so. How does it taste again?
Perspective? You just linked me to a speech by Arlen Specter in 1995. You’re upset about Specter and Whitman ... but fine with sitting alongside Pelosi? Good grief.
Given that McCain was the alternative, the Romney endorsement is understandable.
Getting voted out of office (Santorum) strikes me as preferable to resigning after ethics violations, censure, and an embarrassing affair with a staffer (Gingrich). Gingrich’s past is much more problematic than a couple of lousy endorsements by Rick Santorum.
SnakeDoc
Santorum was on that stage because he was supporting this platform, and wanted that man to be President and head of the GOP. As a Romney person yourself in 2008, do you think Santorum was right in desiring this platform below, do you?
3:46 mark: “In 1996, I intend to win the other house — the White House — with ten commitments to America… including a woman’s right to choose…
13:22 mark: “Even though we have this historic opportunity for these achievements, there are those in our party who would lead us down a different path — and squander this unique moment in our nation’s history — by using our political capital — to pursue a radical social agenda — that would end a woman’s right to choose…
13:48 mark: “When Pat Robertson says there is no constitutional doctrine of separation between Church and State, I say he is wrong…
14:31 mark: “When Ralph Reed says a pro-choice Republican isn’t qualified to be our President, I say the Republican Party will not be intimidated or blackmailed by those kinds of threats.I, and millions of other pro-choice Republicans, will not be disenfranchised and made second class citizens.
15:33 mark: “… it is not Christian, or religious, or Judeo-Christian to bring God into politics; or to advocate intolerance and promote exclusion.
15:54 mark: “I want to take abortion out of politics. I want to keep the Republican Party focused on the vital economic and foreign policy issues — and leave moral issues such as abortion to the conscience of the individual. I believe abortion is an issue to be decided by women…
16:40 mark: “I pledge to lead the fight to strip the strident anti-choice language from the Republican National platform…”
It is obvious that Santorum is merely saying the things he knows the base wants to hear. How stupid can these people be, to buy this BS without a second thought?!
I heard you the first time. I already stated outright that Santorum was wrong. I never liked Specter. You’re going to have to do better than guilt by association. Rick Santorum is not Arlen Specter.
I still don’t see how associating with Specter is worse than associating with Nancy Pelosi, though. Santorum endorsed the man ... you’re making policy associations to pro-choice statements Santorum never made. Gingrich actually explicitly endorsed that woman’s socialist “climate change” policies.
SnakeDoc
Just as I thought! You’re not interested in the truth. You’d rather believe Mother Jones, who claim to have “a previously unreported transcript of the interview made by staffers for the Wofford reelection campaign.” Where’s the transcript? Why didn’t they post it? They’re supposedly quoting Santorum, but offer no proof he said any of those things or in what context. I at least posted a link to a video - which you won’t watch.
You’re too thick to follow how I was playing you.
Like RS, no humor, no real depth, no understanding of nuance.
I told you I was intentionally taking him somewhat out of context (NOT totally BTW) - to give you a taste of how it feels when RS takes Newt out of context on the mandate, which the little snot has done for months. He even takes the entire mandate issue out of context in terms of Obama Care.
I was turning that back on you - but if WHOOOOOOOOSHED right over your little head.
BYE
You really don’t see a formal endorsement and of, and campaigning for removing abortion from the party’s platform as the ultimate act?
Are you you really this thick or are you just playing games with this naive, ignorance of politics act, where you compare full throated political campaigning and support of an agenda and candidates platform with meaningless nonsense.
You aren’t pro-life at all if you want to defend Santorum and Specter to this extent.
No, I don’t think his endorsement of Specter is “the ultimate act”.
Your opinion of me couldn’t be less relevant. I am pro-life. You don’t get a vote.
I have never defended Arlen Specter.
SnakeDoc
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