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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“But worse than that, he went on to say that she should sell sex tapes to pay for birth control, and in so doing, dragged himself at least temporarily down to the level of Letterman and Maher.”

Wrong. Once again, lying about a virtuous woman is not on the same moral plane as making appropriate remarks about a depraved woman.

“If you approve of Limbaugh’s “sex tape” comments, and disapprove of Letterman and Maher, that is hypocrisy.”

Wrong.

“Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.

Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches. Samuel Johnson made this point when he wrote about the misuse of the charge of “hypocrisy” in Rambler No. 14:

‘Nothing is more unjust, however common, than to charge with hypocrisy him that expresses zeal for those virtues which he neglects to practice; since he may be sincerely convinced of the advantages of conquering his passions, without having yet obtained the victory, as a man may be confident of the advantages of a voyage, or a journey, without having courage or industry to undertake it, and may honestly recommend to others, those attempts which he neglects himself.’

Thus, an alcoholic’s advocating temperance, for example, would not be considered an act of hypocrisy as long as the alcoholic made no pretense of constant sobriety.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

The vast majority of people who make false accusations of hypocrisy based on an erroneous definition of the concept are leftists.

“At a minimum, ignoring a very important part of my post, you tried to smear me.”

There is no very important part of your post which I ignored. I tried first to explain why it’s not hypocrisy to agree that a slut is a slut while holding that a virtuous woman is a virtuous woman, then I expressed my judgment that, based on what you say and how you say it, you are not a conservative, but an agent provocateur.

It now occurs to me, though, that it could be that you simply haven’t gotten as far as this concept in your struggle to free yourself from the toxic nostrums of the popular culture or the college campus.

It is long past time for decent people to wake up and realize that when dealing with scumbags, civility is nothing but a self-imposed handicap. If it’s true, say it. If it’s a lie, call it a lie. No hypocrisy is involved.


715 posted on 03/04/2012 1:42:16 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
I admit I used "hypocrisy" in an informal way. However, the standard definition makes it very difficult to use correctly, since in many cases one would have to read minds to determine whether the inconsistency was intentionally deceitful. In your case, you admit that you believe that the "sex tapes" joke somehow fits the woman in question, so I will have to find other terms. I assume you do not have any evidence that she would be likely to make such tapes, so we are arguing about the word "appropriate" in this context. And that is a matter of opinion.

Once again, lying about a virtuous woman is not on the same moral plane as making appropriate remarks about a depraved woman.

Right. Fluke should make sex tapes. Your version of "appropriate?" I guess you are right. It's not hypocrisy, it's swinishness. Palin would not approve of such vulgar public jokes about misguided left wing students. She knows what it feel like to be the object of cruel remarks that pretend to be "jokes," so it would be hypocritical for her to claim they were "appropriate."

But although you may be a very fine person in other respects, your approval of those particular jokes is selectively boorish (not hypocritical, because you believe they are "appropriate"). Somehow you have the ability to recognize that some left-wing comments about Palin are inappropriate, but do not possess that ability when applied to political enemies.

Fluke is my enemy too. I doubt if I could stand to be around her. But I don't know her really. For all I know, she doesn't need birth control because she doesn't like men.

The vast majority of people who make false accusations of hypocrisy based on an erroneous definition of the concept are leftists.

Any evidence to back up that claim? And even if that were true, your "logic" is like saying that since you have a pet, it must be a dog. That would be a guess, not "judgment."

I tried first to explain why it’s not hypocrisy to agree that a slut is a slut while holding that a virtuous woman is a virtuous woman, then I expressed my judgment that, based on what you say and how you say it, you are not a conservative, but an agent provocateur.

And based on what you say with your rickity "arguments," you sound like you use such charges against conservatives who disagree with you.

It is long past time for decent people to wake up and realize that when dealing with scumbags, civility is nothing but a self-imposed handicap.

Extreme, timid civility can be a handicap, but beware lest we become what we say we hate.

If it’s true, say it. If it’s a lie, call it a lie. No hypocrisy is involved.

OK, you lied about me. Maybe you can't help it.

716 posted on 03/04/2012 4:29:01 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: dsc; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :”It is long past time for decent people to wake up and realize that when dealing with scumbags, civility is nothing but a self-imposed handicap. If it’s true, say it. If it’s a lie, call it a lie. No hypocrisy is involved.

You seem to have missed the title of this thread, Rush says he was wrong to say those things. That's black and white.

Don't pick fights where you can't win. And that is exactly what Rush did. If it were a member of congress getting beat up over a stand (like shutting down the government) Rush would tell him to not give in even if it meant him losing his job. But when Rush lost a few sponsors the listener fantasy world left him and reality set in and he caved.

If he says he was wrong then who are we to claim he was right?

718 posted on 03/04/2012 9:09:25 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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