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To: CharlesWayneCT

I don’t know why you pester me about Cain, I have never had anything to do with him, I don’t care about Cain and never have, your obsession with the guy is baffling, week after week about Cain.


72 posted on 03/02/2012 9:23:39 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12

I’m sorry you have problems with simple debate points.

You should realize that not everything is about you.

If you make a statement in a public forum, others are going to point out the logical fallacies of your argument. Sometimes they might use a comparative argument. That comparison may not be something you care about.

Like, if you think it’s a big deal that Santorum endorsed Romney, and hope that others think “Santorum couldn’t be a conservative, he endorsed Romney”, then someone else, who thinks your argument is unpersuasive, will point out the illogic of that argument by noting some other person, who many KNOW to be conservative, who did exactly the same thing.

So you say “Santorum endorsed Romney, and now Santorum endorsed himself”. I respond with “Cain endorsed Romney, and now Cain endorsed Gingrich”.

Now, you may not think Cain was a conservative, and therefore the argument is unpersuasive to you. But others here DO think Cain was and is a conservative, and for them, the juxtaposition of the two statements should reveal the logical fallacy of your argument.

I didn’t think I was overusing the Cain endorsement. I used to use the DeMint endorsement — another person most people believe is conservative, who also in 2008 endorsed Mitt Romney. And again, the purpose of pointing that out is to show the logical fallacy of your implied argument, that Santorum can’t be a good conservative because he endorsed Romney in 2008.

After this election is over, most conservatives will find a way to get over the endorsements of this cycle that they didn’t like. Some will dwell on them more than others.

I do see endorsements as a political tool, so I do mention them for political purposes. Personally, I find endorsements relatively useless, too often given for purpose of payback or favor. But I also don’t generally penalize politicians I like for endorsing the wrong candidates. Others do. I think if all of us claimed that luxury, we’d never elect a conservative again, because all of them have made bad endorsements.

But in fact, most people who claim to be upset about bad endorsements really just use those as political tools.

I will say that, as bad endorsements go, Santorum has a bad record. Not for the Romney endorsement, but for the Arlen Specter endorsement. Sometimes, I’ll point out the GIngrich endorsement of DeDe scozafossa, making the argument “every candidate makes bad endorsements”, rather than my argument of “you can’t judge a candidate by their endorsements”.

I didn’t explain all this for you; I doubt you read past the first sentence or two. But as I said, it’s not just you and me.


74 posted on 03/02/2012 9:35:34 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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