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To: Tailgunner Joe
Listen. If this is what they want, then make women do the exact same PT as the men. Make them subject to the exact same PFT as the men. If they can execute the exact same physical requirements that male soldiers and Marines (because lets face it, other than Corpsmen, it's only these two branches that really see ground battle) must execute, than let them. Fine.

But until the day they do this, no. Because I don't want my 180 lb. husband with 75 lb. of gear to have to rely on being carried to safety by someone who can't even do a standard push up or pull up. This is crap.

My husband's biggest issue with this is what happens when she can't handle the physical part, or the mental for that matter, and they are already in the midst of battle? What happens when she gets stuck and starts freaking but there is also one of his brothers hurt. Whom does he choose? Most men raised well will feel obligated to protect the women, which puts their male unit members at higher risk. What about the hygiene? In the field, they have to take some huge liberties with hygiene as it is. What happens when the woman is on her "time". It's different when you are in the field training and in the field for real. It's just bad all the way around.

46 posted on 02/23/2012 4:11:11 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: USMCWife6869
I have never understood this absolute mania by some to put women into combat situations. Who's driving this insanity (other than politicians whose sorry butts will never be at risk)? My guess is that it's female officers who look at combat credentials as a way of punching their tickets to stars on their collars. [Note: There's nothing like getting killed in combat to end a promising career. Just a thought.]

I do not hear a drumbeat of demand from the female enlisted ranks for combat slots. In fact, I see a lot of wangling to get out of long combat deployments by exercising the “female option” — pregnancy. Under current rules, you cannot remain deployed or in a combat zone when you are pregnant. When you start showing, you're transferred out to another unit until the child is born. [Once the child is born, the “parent” remains in the military and gets special administrative consideration for their family situation.] But, no one replaces the missing pregnant member and those left behind have to do the work that person used to do.

Let's get back to the crucial point of actually putting women into the combat arms (not combat support) — and that traditionally in the Army and Marines means armor, infantry, and artillery. If there are any organizations were toughness and literal physical strength are paramount, it would be these. Sorry, but 2/3 of women do not have the sheer upper body strength to compete. This is a fact of biology and gender, not because I am a male chauvinist bigot.

But, there's another set of reasons why we shouldn't put women into direct combat roles and that comes from examining the historical fact.

Fact: Only two countries on the planet have ever fielded all-women or mixed men-women units in direct combat — Russia (1941-1945) and Israel (1948-1949). Neither do it today (although they do give women combat training, no women are assigned direct combat roles). Why?

This is why.

1. The all-female or mixed male-female units took disproportionately MORE casualties than all-male units.
2. Males instinctively tried to protect females and suffered more casualties.
3. Females felt they had to take more risks to be considered equals and suffered more casualties.
4. Female casualties were devastating to morale of both female AND male combatants.
5. All-female and mixed male-female units were forced to work harder due to physical strength differences between the sexes.

Let's look at item 5 because that's where the cheating becomes paramount. In order for women to compete with men, the PRT (Physical Readiness Tests — or whatever the name is) have to be pro-rated DOWN to allow the women to pass. [The Canadian Forces are one of the few militaries that allow women to compete for infantry slots and only three women have either passed or keep trying. Why? Because the Canadian Forces do NOT pro-rate the PRT by gender. You either pass the Standard PRT for all, or you don't. The PRT is neutral and it fails both sexes equally that cannot measure up.]

So how does the cheating on the PRT affect the service members? The PRT is used to discharge those males who do not live up to its arbitrary numbers and also as a way to fast-track promotions for minorities based on sex and race. That is only one of the dirty little secrets no one talks about when increasing roles and missions for females in the Armed Forces raises its ugly head.

49 posted on 02/23/2012 5:12:39 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: USMCWife6869
My husband's biggest issue with this is what happens when she can't handle the physical part, or the mental for that matter, and they are already in the midst of battle?

They will take her off the front line, make her a captain or a general and put her in charge of the battle.--- At least that's what they do at the fire station.
63 posted on 02/23/2012 4:46:12 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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