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To: philman_36; W. W. SMITH

The syllabus is NOT the decision.

But you are not sane, so telling you facts will not help. You will just have to go on believing the entire world is in conspiracy, and you alone know you are the Emperor of Rome...


126 posted on 02/24/2012 8:24:23 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers
All I know is we have a Kenyan/Indonesian citizen in the Oval office pissing away our treasure and good credit, our life's work, our children's life's work.

John Jay was right. People with foreign citizenships shouldn't be sitting in the oval office. The temptation to ruin us is just to great.

133 posted on 02/24/2012 8:38:47 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Mr Rogers
The syllabus is NOT the decision.
I know, that's why I showed you that the syllabus simply shortened what was in the decision, to prevent you from making the lame argument you're making now.

In your ignorance you're making it anyway.

134 posted on 02/24/2012 8:38:56 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mr Rogers
The syllabus is NOT the decision.

Justice Fuller quoted the Minor syllabus in Ex Parte Lockwood to great effect. The color coded sections below illustrate how each part was quoted verbatim:

From Lockwood:

In Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162, this court held that the word 'citizen' is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation., and, in that sense, women, if born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United States, as much so before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution as since; but that the right of suffrage was not necessarily one of the privileges or immunities of citizenship before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment, and that amendment did not add to these privileges and immunities.
The Minor syllabus:

1. The word "citizen" is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation.

2. In that sense, women, of born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United States, as much so before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment to the Constitution as since.

3. The right of suffrage was not necessarily one of the privileges or immunities of citizenship before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment, and that amendment does not add to these privileges and immunities.

135 posted on 02/24/2012 8:42:27 AM PST by edge919
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To: Mr Rogers
The syllabus is NOT the decision.
I know, that's why I showed you that the syllabus simply shortened what was in the decision, to prevent you from making the lame argument you're making now.

@#191

You, Mr Rogers, are in italics...

For example, Minor did not rule that “The word “citizen “ is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation.”
And yet what do we find in the full decision?

For convenience it has been found necessary to give a name to this membership. The object is to designate by a title the person and the relation he bears to the nation. For this purpose the words 'subject,' 'inhabitant,' and 'citizen' have been used, and the choice between them is sometimes made to depend upon the form of the government. Citizen is now more commonly employed, however, and as it has been considered better suited to the description of one living under a republican government, it was adopted by nearly all of the States upon their separation from Great Britain, and was afterwards adopted in the Articles of Confederation and in the Constitution of the United States. When used in this sense it is understood as conveying the idea of membership of a nation, and nothing more.

That's what the syllabus says but only in fewer words, right?
1. The word "citizen " is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation.

In your ignorance you're making it anyway.

136 posted on 02/24/2012 8:42:40 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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