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To: Sherman Logan
Yet I revere them and want them restored.

If you truly loved your country and the republic you would drop the pretense. Everyone thinks about the Bill of Rights when thinking about the USC. Well they(BOR) were an after thought.

The US Constitution primary goal was to establish a republic, with a limited central government. The Federal was to have a limited role and letting the states do everything else. The BOR's was/is secondary to that primary function....

I believe this is what my forefathers in grey were fighting for, none owned slaves, most were very poor. But they believed in the republic.

94 posted on 02/19/2012 4:33:24 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Y’all have got to get your story straight.

The original non-BOR rights Constitution was opposed by precisely the people you claim as your philosophical ideals. The ones who were opposed to centralization of federal power, who placed somewhat ambiguous disclaimers in their state ratification of the Constitution and who later came up with the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions.

They insisted on a BOR as a way of limiting central power.

And now your argument is that the Constitution was great except for that pesky enumeration of inherent rights?

The problem here, IMO, is that the Declaration did not proclaim that any people anywhere could rebel and set up their own government if they had the power to do so. Nobody had ever argued otherwise.

The DOI made a moral argument, AFAIK for the first time. Any people anywhere had the moral right to rebel and set up its own government IF that government was for the purpose of protecting or expanding the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of all men.

Any government set up by any people anywhere for any other purpose is merely an example of the exercise of brute power. Spartans, Romans, commies, Nazis, etc.

They can do it, of course, if they have the power. But such a government is by the definition of the DOI illegitimate. It has no MORAL right to exist.

The CSA was set up explicitly to protect the rights of one group of men to continue to violate the rights of another group of men. As such, by the terms of the DOI, it had no legitimate right to rebel or to govern.

No wonder your idol hated the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Must have particularly loathed the Bill of Rights.


119 posted on 02/19/2012 12:02:49 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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