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To: darrellmaurina

The article details just one cog in the machine being used to destory our military.

The link I provided in another post shows just how succesful that machine has been. More destruction is obviously on the way.

Soon even people like you won’t be able to turn away from it.


62 posted on 02/18/2012 4:02:04 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Thank you for the link to the Stars and Stripes article. Making men strap on empathy bellies and breasts strikes me as foolish at best.

I will defer to the comments by women who wrote on the other thread about how those things can't teach men about pregnancy because they don't simulate morning sickness and bladder issues. Makes sense to me.

I'm aware of a Fort Leonard Wood water aerobics PT program for pregnant soldiers; there are probably other things going on I don't know about. The issue of pregnant soldiers is not something to which I've paid much attention in a garrison environment, though I am certainly aware of the problems of women deliberately getting pregnant to get sent back from a deployment. Those women get blasted by their fellow female soldiers for being shirkers at best, and often immoral tramps and marriage-wreckers as well. I've also heard female soldiers who themselves keep fit during pregnancy grouse about how some of their female colleagues use pregnancy as an excuse to get out of PT.

Here's the other side of that coin when pregnancy **DOESN'T** get used as an excuse.

I remember a female Marine who received the joint servicemember award several years ago for having the best performance of any permanent party junior enlisted non-Army servicemember ranked E-4 or below in the thousand-member FLW Marine Corps detachment, the Navy Seabee detachment of several hundred sailors, or the Air Force construction detachment of about four hundred airmen. She's married to another Marine, and from the ages and dates of marriage, there was no reason to believe anything other than two young servicemembers getting married and deciding to have a baby.

This female Marine showed up to receive her award, in dress uniform if I remember right, a couple of days after giving birth and was clearly in pain at times when she moved the wrong way. The woman presiding over that ceremony, who herself had been an Air Force officer many years ago, said she couldn't believe the Marine actually showed up in person to receive her award. Her answer was some version of “Ma'am, I'm a Marine. I got out of bed to get here, but I got here.”

My recollection is this female Marine was a truck driver for the Marine Corps who had become an instructor at an earlier-than-usual rank due to exceptionally good skills. I don't know what her Marine husband did. It seems to me that she proved not only to her Marine colonel but also to the LTC who headed the Air Force detachment and the Navy LT who headed the Navy detachment, as well as the senior cadre serving in those three detachments, that she was the very best junior enlisted person on the entire post despite being pregnant for nine months of the year during which she was evaluated.

We can say what we want about women in uniform, but it seems clear that at least some of them can not only do the job but excel in doing the job.

Those who want to use pregnancy to get out of their duties need to either get out of the military entirely (a legitimate option, in my view, if a soldier wants to be a full-time mom) or get the ****-chewing they deserve for collecting the benefits without doing the duties.

As for those who get pregnant while deployed: unless the dad is their husband, they deserve to have the wives of their FRG decide their punishment — but that kind of verdict would probably get ruled cruel and unusual punishment.

67 posted on 02/18/2012 4:49:42 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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