Posted on 02/17/2012 5:11:13 PM PST by SJackson
Mitt Romney has raised the issue of the social safety net. Washington could learn from the lesson of his church.
Ever since Mitt Romney said he was "not concerned about the very poor" but would fix America's social safety net "if it needs repair," conservatives and liberals have been frantically making suggestions. Gov. Romney says he would consider options like restructuring Medicaid. But if he wants to see a welfare system that lets almost no one fall through the cracks while at the same time ensuring that its beneficiaries don't become lifelong dependents, he could look to his own church.
As I ride in a golf cart through a new 15-acre warehouse on the outskirts of Utah's capital, I can't help but wonder: How many Wal-Marts would fit in here? How many burgers can you make from 4,400 industrial pallets of frozen meat? And how do they keep this place cleaner than my kitchen floor?
Dedicated last month, the Bishops Central Storehouse contains a two-year supply of food to support the Mormon church's welfare system in the U.S. and Canada (primarily for church members in need) and its humanitarian program, which sends food, medical supplies and other necessities to the needy (of all faiths) world-wide.
In addition to goods from canned peaches to emergency generators, the facility also houses the church's own trucking company, complete with 43 tractors and 98 trailers, as well as a one-year supply of fuel, parts and tires for the vehicles. Just in case.
The storehouse is not only a kind of physical marvel—it has been built to withstand an earthquake with a magnitude as high as 7.5—but also a symbol of strength and self-sufficiency.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
You have been lying to two of “us”, read your posts 61 and 67, to two different people, and try to get yourself under control.
LOL, Simply amazing.
Troll, Troll, Troll, your boat gently down the stream.....
They could be telling the truth
They probably are not confused
They are not committing heresy
You are meeting bishops out of the norm
My experience with lds goes back to 1962
Closer?
You don’t know anything about mormonism, do you?
the Catholic church has put so much energy into hospitals,grade schools thru to many universities, social agencies, etc...
I wish they would get into the "preparation" type mode.....for all the projects they get into...all the collections every Sunday for the Missions, they could benefit to have a store of food and supplies at all times, ready to use....
Look you want to go legalistic and we could tear apart piece by piece every church existing today by some one or some preachers standards.
When doctrines are out of sorts there is a correction. It comes not from man many times but The Holy Spirit who leads into all truth. GOD's time is not like our sense of time. A lot of churches base their handed down for centuries dogma or doctrines based on The Bible followed by church leader writs. I'm not going into names on this thread.
Now personally for myself I rely on The Bible for accuracy and The Holy Spirit for guidance into truth and discernment. I do read other text that go into theories etc as well as have two Bible Dictionaries Revell Bible Dictionary and The Holman.
Believe it or not there are Christian churches out there with vast differences as too the meaning of certain scripture. Many have added man written laws, doctrine, dogma, that that church goes by. If you wish too attack Romney based on his beliefs not found in scripture there are two more running for POTUS who also go by rules not actually in The Bible but church leaders have added usually to completely misunderstanding scripture. As well one can not question that leaders authority.
Christ went after legalisms and the hypocrisy of the leaders it produces more than he went after anything. It's man burdening man with mans rules not even they can keep. Again you can find this in about any church today.
Even the early churches underwent correction. Earlier I posted the early church living in a community together selling what they owned and sharing it among themselves. What happened soon after and why? The church came under extreme persecution starting with Stephen being murdered. It scattered the flock to far places.
ACTS Ch 8 A great wave of persecution began that day, sweeping over the church in Jerusalem, and all the believers except the apostles fled into Judea and Samaria. 2(Some godly men came and buried Stephen with loud weeping.) 3Saul was going everywhere to devastate the church. He went from house to house, dragging out both men and women to throw them into jail. 4But the believers who had fled Jerusalem went everywhere preaching the Good News about Jesus. 5Philip, for example, went to the city of Samaria and told the people there about the Messiah. 6Crowds listened intently to what he had to say because of the miracles he did. 7Many evil spirits were cast out, screaming as they left their victims. And many who had been paralyzed or lame were healed. 8So there was great joy in that city.
Now why do you suppose this was allowed too happen? It was a correction of sorts. The Disciples were given the Great Commission as it is commonly called. The believers were instead staying in Jerusalem. The Holy Spirit works in all who in earnest seek Christ. The Mormons or rather the LDS sect of Mormon has under gone in a historical short time radical changes from it's beginnings.
You judge them harshly yet you fail too look at the chosen twelves and some of the Apostles own struggles and the many time that correction came too them. Shall we bash the Amish and Mennonite as well while were at it? You haven't seen strict church and family control till you've learned about some sects Amish.
Then there is another sect of Christians amongst us who's members though they work in the public and live in typical neighborhoods, kids go to public schools etc, can not eat meals or socalize with non members of their church. The name escapes me right now but it is not LDS.
If a person wants too look they can find a plenty too keep them busy church bashing every church known today. There's thousands if not millions of websites devoted too the sport. Pick your hate then copy and paste. I have a family member a cousin who was brought up Southern Baptist for reason of marriage and family harmony for his wife joined LDS years ago. I see him, his wife, and his kids, at reunions even at Catholic and Baptist funeral services of family members. I'm not buying the smear. I don't buy it anymore than I do anti-Catholic, anti-Pentocostals, anti- whatever. I don't even care if people on the other end of my county handle snakes as they have done for over 100 years. That is their belief.
Any person today is free to join or leave a church. If a person joins a church they will be likely expected to uphold the church dogma. Don't agree? Don't join. That right and freedom was one of the main reasons of our Revolutionary War and many of the ones who form the nation were not Christians as we know it. Several were Deist including Thomas Jefferson who edited a Bible still used today in Unitarian Churches gutted of any reference too The Trinity or the Divinity of Christ.
Mormons {LDS I'm talking about} are not my enemy. Yes there are some very fringe and wrong Mormons just as there are split offs in about any denomination. Mormons {LDS} are not Warren Jeffs types nor does churches like Westboro represent the beliefs of most Baptist churches.
Everything is be judged against the Word of God, we are to call out false prophets.
mormonis is not Christianity
Joseph Smith was a false prophet
Romney is who is he because of mormonism not in spite of it
It’s that simple.
To anyone who says that Romney would not be influenced by his Mormon beliefs (even the off-the-wall ones) in governing this country, I would just say, “I’ve got a bridge in Coyote, Wyoming I want to sell you.”
And again many churches have had their false prophets and went through correction. Yes even one that calls itself The Church. There are as many variants of Mormon as Baptist. Pentecostals for example have had false prophets. One claimed too heal people and made outrageous statements. Deism was certainly false prophets yet some of the key men who founded the nation believed it.
So tell me then if oh lets say Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson were running would you be on FR posting about their religious beliefs? Or would you vote for them? Be honest. Romney's church is not a factor too me in his running for office but his political record is the reason. BTW I know Mormons {LDS} who are in fact Christian. What determines Christian? The belief that Jesus Christ is the Son Of GOD who died on the cross as The Lamb of GOD for our sins that through that we are saved. The Fruits or Traits of it are ones who follow the Commandments and Teachings of GOD and of Christ. You can have a misconception of GOD's origin and still be Christian. No one truly understands as the human mind can not comprehend GOD's actual being. All of us understand but a small portion.
But there are many churches who do not follow it too the letter. For example when we pray we are told to pray too GOD asking in Jesus name and no others should we pray too or through. See what I'm saying? Yet none dare call the ones who pray through saints as they call it for intercession a cult. I don't confess my sins to someone asking them for GOD;s forgiveness either. I ask The Lord and confess directly too The Lord. Do I call them a cult who use their clergy for this? No I call them Scripture misguided. I don't call them non Christians either.
BTW how many centuries passed before the correction called The Protestant Reformation occured? 1600 plus years if I read right. Not too say there were not churches that were already practicing the beliefs it produced existing since the days of Christ though. But those that existed those 1600 years often had to do so in secrecy. What about the ones who began The Reformation? Some paid with their very lives. What about the church who fought it?
You apparently know nothing about mormonism.
lds do not worship the God of the Bible.
You use many words to explain yourself.
You are answering questions or remarking on statements not made.
mormonism is not Christianity
Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it it is that simple.
And a hearty AMEN to that Brother.
Wake up America.
Well I have known {one all my life} LDS whom I have talked with and they say worship GOD the one and the same as in The Bible. The ones I know BTW WERE NOT brought up in LDS but joined as adults. They were Baptist actually. So does my Roman Catholic kin as well as other kin such as Baptist, Methodist, etc worship the same LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. The difference is we take time too talk and listen.
Of course we will always have amongst the churches Preacher Soandso of the First Self Righteous church that says different though. Next weeks sermon or blog from Preacher Soandso will be on those evil churches who use unauthorized translations of The Bible he doesn't approve of either as in any Bible but KJV.
I've seen these same arguments over and over again only it's Protestant vs Catholic. One church just can not believe the other is Christian as well because they are not in the same Church they are.
Some food for thought. You should know though that by the standards of scriptural purity you place upon and demand of LDS and judge them {who confess Christ as Lord and Savior} the same rigidity shall be judged of you.
Again you know nothing of mormonism.
mormonism teaches a god who was once a man, that is NOT the Biblical God.
mormonism teaches a created christ, not an eternal Christ.
LDS practices just about every moral value any other Christian Church does. On the other hand there is a very liberal church out there actually several denominations that harbors those of whom their OPEN AGENDA it is too destroy our nation as we know it and exclude GOD's name from all public venues. None dare call their hand on it as a church though. I doubt anyone on this thread knows the name of that denomination. Those churches are ones I worry about. It is the fruits you judge them by.
We as well have churches today being acknowledged as Christian who openly encourage and even marry people into a destructive lifestyle for which GOD called an abomination and destroyed two cities for the very practice of it. Yet people sit and attack LDS as being evil? Yea America needs to wake up indeed.
That is not doctrine that sends one too hell nor determines salvation. That is simply a human mind trying to comprehend who GOD is and in what actual form. GOD created man in His Image. So before the creation was GOD man or Spirt or both? No one knows for certain. We are given some Biblical insight like GOD walked through the Garden of Eden with Adam.
Genisis ch 1 26Then God said, “Let us make people£ in our image, to be like ourselves. They will be masters over all life—the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the livestock, wild animals,£ and small animals.” 27So God created people in his own image; God patterned them after himself; male and female he created them.
Actually GOD was man on earth in an earthly body. We call Him Jesus Christ. Here is the thing. I don't have to understand it as my mind can't. Nor could His Disciples grasp it till they were allowed to understand. I only need too believe it.
There are many things in history pre-flood we are given hints too but know little about including some who roamed the earth besides the descendants of Adam and Eve and became with their decedents. Genesis 6 sheds a little light on that matter. That is where Nephilim comes in. Possibly what we are calling pre-historic man? Who knows? We don't know for certain. I'm a creationist believing GOD Created all things in heavens and earth. Do I believe the earth is 10,000 years old? Based on evidence I don't. But time is mans measurement not GOD's.
We read Christ existed with GOD before the creation that much we were told by Christ in His prayer too GOD. These kind of differences are splitting hairs is more to do with theological understanding and has nothing to do with ones faith in Jesus Christ atonement for our sins.
We come to GOD through Christ as Children. Children do not have full knowledge that their parents do nor are they expected too. Children's concepts and understanding of this universe are not that of GOD's level of understanding. Nor is mans level of understanding for that matter.
I get it. You are lds, that explains everything.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.