Posted on 02/15/2012 1:10:19 PM PST by FewsOrange
Pediatricians fed up with parents who refuse to vaccinate their children out of concern it can cause autism or other problems increasingly are "firing" such families from their practices, raising questions about a doctor's responsibility to these patients.
Medical associations don't recommend such patient bans, but the practice appears to be growing, according to vaccine researchers.
In a study of Connecticut pediatricians published last year, some 30% of 133 doctors said they had asked a family to leave their practice for vaccine refusal, and a recent survey of 909 Midwestern pediatricians found that 21% reported discharging families for the same reason.
By comparison, in 2001 and 2006 about 6% of physicians said they "routinely" stopped working with families ...
Most pediatricians consider preventing disease through vaccines a primary goal of their job. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and AAP issue an annual recommended vaccination schedule, but some parents ask if their child's immunizations can be pushed back or skipped altogether, pediatricians say. While rates for several key inoculations in young children rose between 2009 and 2010, according to the CDC, lower immunization rates have been blamed as a factor in U.S. outbreaks of whooping cough and measles in recent years.
Parents often voice concerns about autism or that their child's immune system may be overwhelmed by too many vaccines at once. Worries about a link between vaccines and autism arose because some parents noticed their children regressed, or lost some skills, around the time of their vaccinations at two years of age. Another concern centered on the former use of mercury as a vaccine preservative.
Numerous studies since have dispelled these concerns among scientists. Rather, scientists say, it is more likely that autism symptoms begin showing up around the same age children are vaccinated.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
>> “Jesus H. Christmas, some people are stupid.” <<
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Yes anyone that allows their child to be touched by a doctor.
That's the ticket. Nothing like a little mockery, derision, and name calling to win someone over to your point of view.
When all else fails attack the messenger.
And I notice that that is in general what the pro-vaccine crowd resorts to in these discussions. If the vaccines were all they were cracked up to be, they'd sell themselves. Since the responses don't include anything of substance, it becomes clear that the pro-vaccine crowd does not have much in their arsenal to support THEIR stance.
You are conflating two problems.
But... You are correct, that other vaccines are pushed on parents and babies that simply are not necessary for most small children.
There are **highly** contagious communicable disease that cripple and cause death. It is irresponsible not have a child vaccinated against these diseases. There are only a handful of these.
It is sad, but I fear that only a plague of crippling and deadly diphtheria, polio, or measles will be enough to bring the anti-vaccination advocates back into the realm of common sense.
By the way....Some years ago I had shingles. Wow! Get the vaccine! It is worth the $200 not to get this very painful and debilitating condition.
I agree. However, it would only take one, in a major metropolitan area, to pick up the customers who are separated from other medical practices over this issue.
Not that I’m advocating non-vaccination ... just thinking through the economics. One business’s rejects are another’s self-selected niche market (in theory, at least) ...
>> “Also, who wants to take their kid to a doctor that also has unvaccinated kids as patients?” <<
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Yes, it must be troubling to bring your sickly, possibly retarded, heavily vaccinated kid to the doctor and see all those healthy vibrant unvaccinated kids in the waiting room.
>> “We do know that, for instance, not having a polio vaccine leads to polio and often consequences like paralysis.” <<
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No, we know that the opposite is quite true.
If the vaccine fails to bring on trouble immediately, it likely will later on, with fibromyalgia, ALS, MS, or other polio vaccine related conditions.
Their malpractice insurance policy companies may be demanding it. ( in other words, Lawyers!)
If a doctor accepts unvaccinated children into his practice, the child who is sick with a preventable communicable disease can ( and likely will) infect other children and adults in the waiting room. Not everyone who is vaccinated responds with antibodies and even though vaccinated is completely vulnerable to the disease. Also, some children and adults have medical conditions that prevent them from being vaccinated.
Personally....I think this is good medical practice, for the safety of the others in the waiting room.
>> “Why don’t they just make them sign something that says they WERE advised???? And, that they will NOT make any legal claim based on non-vaccinations?” <<
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Good doctors do that already.
The doctors that are making the trouble are the extremely greed-motivated quacks that are in it strictly for the money.
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“doctors do make money”
Yes they do, and so do advisory panel members at FDA who stamp products safe and effective, and the research academics who submit test results to FDA to get them approved.
http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2011/08/janet-woodcock-miss-piñata-meets-clue-stick.html#more
“Third, a federally funded study of 2914 academics
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/28/6/1814.abstract
by Harvard University’s Eric Campbell finds that almost 50 percent of research academics have no ties to industry. That’s right, ZERO financial conflicts. Dr. Campbell published his data in the journal Health Affairs and discussed it last June at a Georgetown University conference.”
Ergo, LESS than HALF of the researchers here Weren’t on the take.
Unvaccinated kids are far less likely to get communicable diseases, because their immune systems are not crippled by the passenger virus SV40 that is present in most vaccines.
How do you know that you did not respond to the Hepatitis B vaccine? (just curious)
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There are tests available to measure the antibodies.
Actually, it was rather important for me since I worked in a health profession. It happens sometimes. Some people just don’t respond to the vaccine. Since I am retired now so it is not an issue. I am not going to go through another series of Hep B vaccinations since my risk of exposure now is nearly zero.
Ha! Dog groomers, that’s pretty funny!
Out here in deeply rural Alabama, not only do most dogs not get groomed, many never had a bath in their life unless they were swimming in the creek or something.
In the sticks, lots of folks have dogs that they never let in the house, are chained to the dog house so they don’t run away, and are never taken to the vet. The attitude is, that’s my dog, but if he dies, I’ll just get another one.
Some folks, like trailhkr1 said, don’t even chained up their dogs, but just let them wander where they will. They might not really have “owners”, but just show up at the house where the humans that feed them live, in order to eat what they can’t catch.
Still, I don’t mind. I like living in the country, and any dog wandering in my property gets chased out by my dogs, me, or if they won’t shoo and cause problems, will get double-ought.
Yeah, it sure couldn't be caused by the illegal alien criminal scum streaming across our southern border.
Nope, no way.
well good, I’m glad we’re in complete agreement
>> “I was thinking the same thing last week, when I was hospitalized for smallpox. Or was it polio.” <<
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More likely Clap, or mental retardation.
comfort words bs.
they pay you, you refuse to take the money and work FOR that money.
They can force you to work for them.
you can force them to pay you for work you did.
I like that statement better.
more direct and to the point.
>>You know some doctor somewhere is getting sued for not vaccinating a child, even though it was the parents that refused the vaccination.
I just did a paid mock trial opinion research gig on the most specious go-after-the-deep-pockets on the most tenuous linkage ever civil lawsuit you ever heard of. What you suppose seems likely.
“If the vaccine fails to bring on trouble immediately, it likely will later on, with fibromyalgia, ALS, MS, or other polio vaccine related conditions.”
Your irresponsible twit. You are really advocating folks NOT get vaccinated for polio, aren’t you?
Outrageous.
I’ve never been vaccinated for anything.
That is probably why I’m healthy, and those that have been vaccinated are sickly. I’m 67 years old and haven’t even had a cold for close to 50 years.
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