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Thanks to Conservative 'Issues,' Obama Now Holds All The Cards
American Thinker ^ | 2/14/2012 | John Ziegler

Posted on 02/14/2012 12:47:25 PM PST by WPaCon

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To: WPaCon
Good God, the excerpt was so poorly written, there's no need whatsover to click the link.

Seriously, I guess he's going for that sort of Mark Steyn, Jonah Goldberg humor commentary, but he forgot the first rule of comedy.

21 posted on 02/14/2012 1:47:42 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: WPaCon

John Ziegler is a moron.


22 posted on 02/14/2012 1:47:54 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO--itÂ’s about the survival of our country!!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Republican Party old guard want to go with the “most electable” guy. That would be Romney.

Trouble is we did that in 2008 and lost. We did that in 1996 and lost.

As Newt says you need a clear contrast between our candidate and theirs. Look at Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter.


23 posted on 02/14/2012 1:51:07 PM PST by McGruff (Think in bold colors not pale pastels.)
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To: Mr. Peabody

Someone should also tell him to stop inserting long parenthetical remarks into his sentences.


24 posted on 02/14/2012 1:53:06 PM PST by firebrand
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To: SoFloFreeper
"Ziegler is saying things many hard core conservatives don’t want to hear or believe.

This doesn’t mean he is wrong."

It took guts to say that here. Thank you!

25 posted on 02/14/2012 1:57:38 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: WPaCon

Ziegler is in love with Romney. Somebody please tell him Mitt is already married.


26 posted on 02/14/2012 2:00:02 PM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: WPaCon

American Thinker is obviously run by a bunch of RINOS.


27 posted on 02/14/2012 2:04:56 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: WPaCon

If the most important issue on the table was simply defeating Obama then Ziegler would have a valid case. But that is not the most important issue.

The most important thing that needs to happen is a paradigm shift across the whole country. We need to restore the basic principles of individualism...defeat the continuing trend by both major political parties toward Nationalism. We can not be content with “it could be worse”.

A strong America is important but it cannot exist without strong Americans. Our strength as a nation must be built on the backs, the hearts and the souls of independent, creative and energetic men and women who stand humbly before their Creator.....grateful for His gifts....passionately intent on being worthy of His grace.


28 posted on 02/14/2012 2:05:05 PM PST by Tucsonican
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To: WPaCon

Yeah, John, darn GOP primary voters for thinking their nominee should represent them first and earn their vote first and then whatever independents he or she can get. Darn the other candidates for actually trying to beat him. Darn Sarah Palin for...well, at this point, for not saving him and the rest of them from themselves. It’s all their fault. It’s not Mitt Romney’s fault that when he and the rest of the field got down to it, the inevitable next choice wasn’t, that the far-and-away most electable wasn’t. And it’s really not fair (and I know, everybody knows at this point, that this is what really chaps your ass) that Mr. Inevitable, the next nominee, gets the golf-clap at CPAC and That Woman, who’s not even running, practically gets the audience holding up cigarette lighters for encores. It’s not fayerrrrrrrrr...


29 posted on 02/14/2012 2:31:50 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: WPaCon

We would never know if the cancer has inflicted damage until we read flakey stories that lean. It means we are awake, aware and vigilante. “stay alert my friends” the colors eventually show


30 posted on 02/14/2012 2:52:28 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: WPaCon

American Thinker typically has articles that most freepers would agree with.

I find this blog to be quite banal, as a matter of fact.

Close: I would agree but stipulating that we leave off the "b" in banal. lol

31 posted on 02/14/2012 3:29:14 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: WPaCon

Mittens is a viiiiiictim of those evil, evil conservatives. Obama is a viiiiictim of those evil, evil conservatives.

If conservatives were smart like Mittens and Barry, they would gladly surrender the constitutional Republic to National and global socialism! But NO! Those stupid conservatives don’t know what’s good for them and they run around persecuting the centralized ruler wannabes.

Who knew that the elitists were actually victims of the middle class??? Poor dears. They have such a difficult life.


32 posted on 02/14/2012 4:31:02 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: WPaCon

Ziegler:Get off the phone you big dope!


33 posted on 02/14/2012 4:42:53 PM PST by Mountain Mary ("Mush is not going to carry the day" Mark Levin 2/09/12)
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To: In Maryland

In NV, Romney had 50.1% which would be considered in most math and stats classes to be close to winning a majority.

The math of the general election goes something like this:

A moderate candidate will have difficulty in a primary with the extreme wings of their party (say 40%) but will do well in the general election because that 40% will vote for the moderate over the opposition party. A more extreme candidate will have the base but may slip on the moderates. The view ignores the enthusiasm of the base which needs to be maintained for votes and manpower. IMO, both views are correct and you need the base enthused and someone who can approach the middle.

I am the rare Romney supporter here but I believe that if he wins the nominations he’ll have to some would class repair to excite the base including changes to policy, his cabinet choices, the party platform, and strong support for tea party / conservatives in congress. In short, he must be willing to fence himself in to win.


34 posted on 02/15/2012 1:27:01 AM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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Thanks for the Nevada figure - 50.1% is, indeed, a majority (even if barely so). But Nevada was a caucus - not a primary election. But, checking the figures he took 46% in Florida's election, and I'll concede that is "close to" a majority.

I agree with most of what you have posted (I don't think I would caracterize 40% of the party as "extreme", but that's semantics). I have my doubts that Romney can succeed in energizing the base; but, with a world-class effort, it is not impossible. And if the Obama team comes up with more disasters like the contraception debacle, he may significantly contribute to Romney's efforts in energizing the republican base.

35 posted on 02/15/2012 8:11:10 AM PST by In Maryland ("Truth? We don't need no stinkin' truth!" - Official Motto of the Main Stream Media)
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To: In Maryland

The %ages may vary - but either way I don’t mean extreme like it’s a bad thing. My reasons for supporting Romney over Newt and Santorum are not because I prefer Romney’s ideology. I’d take a solid conservative that could win. I just believe Santorum and Newt are fatally flawed in many ways and not good representatives on the conservative ideology for a presidential election.

I think Romney can do a world class excite the base effort. I hope he’s smart enough to know that he has to. The base is teaching him quite a lesson making him crawl over glass to get the nomination. That’ll leave him resenting or reaching out.


36 posted on 02/15/2012 10:36:48 AM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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I think Romney can do a world class excite the base effort.

A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar.

"Hello, Mitt," says the bartender.

Romney is no conservative. He has been campaigning for President for six years (started the day he took the Governor's office in Massachusetts) and still cannot get above 25-30% approval.

He has ZERO chance of exciting the base, and I don't even think a VP pick like McLame did in 2008 will save his bacon. We've all been there before.

Count me as one of those who will NEVER vote for Romney.

37 posted on 02/15/2012 10:50:48 AM PST by The Citizen Soldier (America needs Gingrich in 2012 about as much as England needed Churchill in 1940!)
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To: The Citizen Soldier

Mitt generates all the enthusiasm of a September baseball game between two clubs 20 games out of first place.


38 posted on 02/15/2012 10:52:30 AM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: The Citizen Soldier

The joke is a little worn but appreciate the point.

If you take a look at the RCP averages, nobody has been steadily above 35%.

see: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

I’m sure your point of view is common here. If Romney wins some will stick to it and others will hold their nose. I’m not saying he can get everyone on board but I do believe he can mitigate his losses significantly though I understand why you don’t share the thought.


39 posted on 02/15/2012 12:30:12 PM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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