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To: Cicero

Actually, I think the grandfather (where the father lived) was the looney toon and was put in jail. The boys were then placed with the maternal grandparents.

The father was ordered to take several evaluations that may have triggered this event.

But sadly, the father had not been charged or accused with anything. Be it murder or perversion.

I don’t know what the laws in the state are..but evidently supervised visitation was the best they could do.

I really don’t understand why there was such a delay in the investigation of the murder or the possibility of perversion, but the laws are the laws and hindsight is always 20-20.

I try to look at this from another angle. Let’s say for the sake of argument, this was s good guy (he wasn’t of course) and denied visitation with his children when no charges had been made. Most people would be screaming about how heavy handed CPS is. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.


14 posted on 02/11/2012 3:52:47 PM PST by berdie
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To: berdie

Yeah the delays are upsetting. Utah had images on Josh’s computer from awhile ago (years?) of cartoon depictions of incest. They were “available” to the prosecuting attorney prior to the latest trial - but they were not presented to him. Those images I imagine would have had a big say in how the visitations went.

And I know the cops in our town say that when we call 911 and report something they usually are on their way at the very beginning of the call and the operator is talking and getting more information while the cops are on their way.

And I think Graham is a bit like our suburb where the cops aren’t too busy. They even have told my daughters to give them a call if some guy seems “creepy” to them walking home from school or something. They said they’ll swing by and if they see the guy watch for how he reacts to a squad car, etc.


28 posted on 02/11/2012 4:57:50 PM PST by 21twelve
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