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To: verga

I’m in Texan and a Southern Baptist. What do YOU think our position is on Obama, the mandate that he is forcing upon folks, and abortion?


39 posted on 02/11/2012 4:58:31 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

Please take the time to look up the phrase “in persona Christi”. When I go to Confession (a Sacrament I am extremely grateful to Our Lord, Jesus Christ for giving to us) a priest is there in persona Christi. I am speaking DIRECTLY to Christ in the Confessional thru the priest.

As a grateful convert to the Catholic Church who was raised in the Church of Christ tradition I can assure you that assertions such as yours about the Church have little to no basis in fact. Peace of Our Lord, Jesus Christ be with you now & forever.


50 posted on 02/11/2012 8:53:42 PM PST by TheStickman
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To: Apollo5600
I’m in Texan and a Southern Baptist. What do YOU think our position is on Obama, the mandate that he is forcing upon folks, and abortion?

Well seeing as neither the SBC or the TBC has made any official pronouncements on it, and none of your advisory board have spoke out against it I would have to say that they are 100% behind it, or have their usual answer of "Once saved always saved do what ever you think."

Care to try again with a direct answer? Don't be afraid speak up name names. be specific.

What is your Church’s position on the Obama mandate about contraception and abortion?

Is your pastor speaking out about it? Which one of your church leaders is saying that the President is trampling on religious freedom? Has any of your church leaders agreed to stand with the Catholic church in defense of life and religious freedom?

51 posted on 02/11/2012 9:13:46 PM PST by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: Apollo5600
I have no doubt whatsoever, as a Catholic, that the Southern Baptist Convention stands in very strong agreement with most Catholics (particularly here) on Obozo, "the mandate that he is forcing upon folks, and abortion." The Southern Baptist Convention has stood with the RCC on the moral issues that matter and we have stood with the SBC as well on those issues.

No one pretends that Catholics and Baptists share 100% in one another's theological beliefs. Nor need we so share for the purposes at hand. We Catholics are not going to win without you Baptists and many other members of other reformed churches. You Baptists are not going to win without us either. Why are we fighting here? Let us join together in obedience to Jesus Christ whatever our theological differences.

As to you personally, I cannot very well know since I do not know you. I am perfectly willing to assume that your beliefs on the matters at hand reflect those of Bible Christianity, the Southern Baptist Convention and similar entities.

My problems with you and with some others who post as you do are several.

1. I make it a point NOT to criticize the sincerely held and reasonable religious beliefs of others here. I am thoroughly convinced that the RCC is, among other good things, infallible in its teaching magisterium and no one whomsoever I may encounter on the internet is going to change my mind on that. I do not want or need to be impertinently preached at by those of other faiths, no matter their sincerity.

2. You came to this thread which has nothing whatever to do with the reformation, spoiling for a fight with Catholics and just committed to preaching at us. I am a recovering attorney who represented hundreds of wonderful people of various reformed persuasions who invaded and shut down abortion mills and desterilized their suction machines and instruments, along with my fellow Catholics. I asked each and every client at length about his/her religious beliefs so that I could accurately represent him/her to the court according to the client's beliefs and motivations and never my own. I absolutely refrained from arguing religion with any of them. I was too busy and respectful being awestricken by the moral qualities and moral witness of each and all. I never asked any for a fee and represented 1100 of them with few being convicted.

3. Those two criticisms will suffice since I have absolutely no desire to argue religion with you. There are plenty of Catholics here who will give you a fight. I wish they would not. Many are far better equipped than I but our purpose here, yours and ours, as Christians, should be solidarity in defeating the servants of our common enemy, saving the innocent lives that God has created, preserving moral values in our society and a whole lot of other actions that show the fruit of our respective faiths in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, who died on the cross for my sins, your sins, and every other human being's sins.

May God bless you and yours.

63 posted on 02/11/2012 10:54:38 PM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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