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When you compare the negative impact of what Santorum or Gingrich endorsements and support had on political races, Rick is the one that helped Specter put ObomneyCare around every American's neck.




1 posted on 02/08/2012 3:37:35 PM PST by red flanker
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President Bush personally asked Santorum to back Specter. How many Republicans asked Newt Gingrich to endorse Dede Scozzafava?


45 posted on 02/08/2012 4:28:40 PM PST by montag813
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Yes, I’m still mad at him over Specter. Its one of the main reasons I held back from supporting him.

Of course, at this point, all of the candidates have baggage. My #1, Gingrich, has Scozzafava and a host of other things I’ve had to overlook.

So, in the overall scheme of things, I’m prepared to let it go. He’s not Romney. Thats a big one with me.

So, for me, its Gingrich (baggage and all) followed by Santorum (Specter and all) followed by... Paul. Followed by Romney. For me, my biggest problem with Romney is not his shape-shifting, but rather his willingness to trash his Repub opponents, and the “tea party”, and whoever else he saw as a threat. He always saw conservatives as more of a threat than he did Obama. Thats my biggest problem with him. Most of the others knew that Obama was the threat, but Romney knew that conservatives were the main threat.

I’ll smile when I pull the lever for either Gingrich or Santorum. I’ll cringe a bit if I have to vote for Paul. If I have to vote for Romney in the general it will be with fear and loathing. And if he wins the nomination and loses the general, I think the GOP breaks.


50 posted on 02/08/2012 4:32:13 PM PST by marron
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Well if that's the game you're playing, how about we go over that "government shutdown" that had Newt running with his tail tucked?

What a despicable post, as if Santorum was responsible for what Specter did. With Bush against Toomey, it was unlikely his endorsement amounted to squat.

55 posted on 02/08/2012 4:38:43 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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This assumes that Pat Toomey could have beaten the democrat who surely would have run against him. Could he have won? 2 years later, Pennsylvania voted out a conservative by 17 points, so it appears there was a limit to their support for solid conservatives.

Heck, in a WAVE year for Republicans, Toomey only beat Sestack by 2%.

But maybe the democrats would have been so shocked by the upset of Specter that they wouldn’t have had time to play their ballot games and put Casey up against him.

Interesting though. Suppose they had? Then Casey would have beat Toomey. Santorum would have won in 2006, having NOT to run against Casey, and not having angered conservatives. So Santorum would have been the 60th vote, and Obamacare wouldn’t have passed.

So it’s Santorum’s fault for losing his election. That’s the ticket.


57 posted on 02/08/2012 4:39:23 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Not again...Analysis that is quite a stretch, to say the least.

Santorum would not have won his previous races without Specter’s strong backing, especially the 49-47 victory over Worford in 1994. It would have required a lack of integrity on the part of Santorum to have not returned the favor when Specter found his own self in a pinch. Specter had also been a staunch and outspoken opponent of such health care schemes in the past.

And while it is possible, there is no guarantee that Toomey would have been able to defeat Hoeffel in the general election, as Kerry carried the state at the top of the ticket. Odds are probably against. Hoeffel would have certainly been right there voting for Obamacare had he been in the Senate rather than Toomey or Specter.

Let’s stick with reality when it comes to analysis...that isn’t asking too much.


65 posted on 02/08/2012 4:58:18 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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Rick Santorum, megalomaniac mental case.

Pond scum lawyer is being bankrolled by Romney supporters (stalking horse) and voted to force workers to belong to unions and pay dues against their will, then lost by 17% in his reelection because he endorsed Specter over Toomey.

Specter then voted for Obamacare.

Then he endorses that degenerate Romney in 2008, and his family in Italy are all communists.

Yeah, a real “conservative”

HE’LL STAY IN THE RACE LONG ENOUGH TO ENSURE THE MORMON BISHOPS CORONATION AND THEN CUT A DEAL WITH THE CULTIST.

I guess winning Missouri is easy when Gingrich isn’t even on the ballot.

He should go back to chasing ambulances.


68 posted on 02/08/2012 5:07:52 PM PST by Rome2000 (MYTH ROMNEY IS A MORMON MELCHIDEZEK HIGH PRIEST AND SANTORUM IS BANKROLLED BY ROMNEY SUPPORTERS)
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Yet another hit piece, you need to get over it Red.


77 posted on 02/08/2012 5:22:09 PM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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IT’S WORTH REMINDING EVERYONE HOW THIS MONSTROSITY BECAME THE LAW OF THE LAND, AND WHO IS MOST RESPONSIBLE.

IF YOU DON’T WANT TO WADE THROUGH THE WHOLE THING JUST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH:

Evil, or just Stupid?

October/November 2009 and ObamaCare was stalled in the House, the main sticking point being government funded abortions. There were enough Dems opposed to abortion that refused to vote for the ObamaCare if it contained any abortion language that it would not pass.

Representative Stupak (D) MI introduced his amendment that prohibited any government money from ObamaCare bill being used to fund abortions. This essentially would end all abortions, as no medical procedures outside the ObamaCare System can be done. No going to a doctor and paying him directly for anything. Thus, with his amendment, ALL abortions would be illegal.

This amendment to the House bill, if it passed, would give the above ‘Pro-Life’ Democrats a green light to vote for the ObamaCare bill.

Not enough Democrats supported the Stupak Amendment for it to pass. Many Democrats were vociferously opposed to it. It could only pass with Republican votes.

National Right to Life favored the Stupak Amendment, and insisted that Republicans vote for it. Further, they threatened any Republican who didn’t vote for it with their active opposition to that Republican during the 2010 fall election.

The Republicans caved, even those who could see the eventual outcome, right down to the last man. One hundred percent voted for the Stupak Amendment, along with a bunch of Dems who were opposed to abortions. Stupak handily passed.

Nobody believed the Amendment would stick; eventually it would/will be overridden in some fashion and Government funded abortion would become part of ObamaCare. Abortion is the Prime Sacrament of the Left, and will not be denied government funding, let alone be made illegal.

With a green light, the ’Pro-Life’ Dems could vote for ObamaCare, and although many hard-line Leftists were angry, enough of them also could see the end game, and agreed to vote pass ObamaCare.

A couple days later ObamaCare passed the House.

Everyone knew how this would play out, and it did. Rush spoke about it on his show.

I am of the opinion even National Right to Life knew it would play out this way. I’m not aware of anyone who thought otherwise. That leaves us with two opinions of their leadership;

The NRTL is Stupid Strategy;

1. They are so locked into their ‘stop abortion at all costs’ viewpoint that they can’t operate with a strategy that goes beyond 24 hours. Liberals like to say that ‘conservatives are stupid and easily lead’, this situation is circumstantial proof that Leftists are right from time to time. This is the NRTL Stupid Strategy.
OR

The NRTL is Evil Strategy;

2. They were in cahoots with the Pro-Abort crowd on this, and were complicit in getting ObamaCare passed in the House, ObamaCare which will include a monthly premium from all of us to fund abortions. This would be the NRTL Evil Strategy.

Either way, too stupid, or just evil, they are unfit to lead the movement to reduce or end abortions. Their thuggish actions have brought us to the brink of the enslavement of 300 million Americans, ending of the most advanced medical care in the entire history of the world, and will lead, ironically, to Chinese style government mandated and government funded abortions.

I am unaware of any other organization which has played such a pivotal role against Americans and babies in the ObamaCare fight as National Right to Life has.


79 posted on 02/08/2012 5:23:03 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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In 1994 Santorum defeated Sen Wofford, a liberal Democrat proponent of HillaryCare.

Since then Santorum has opposed mandates and central govt style approach to healthcare.

It would be sweet justice if Santorum could stand up for life and defeat the pro-abort President Obama and take down and repeal his Obamacare.


90 posted on 02/08/2012 5:57:37 PM PST by WOSG (“Legion of Acceptibility”)
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No question that Santorum sports an enormous wart by the name of Arlen.
I can overlook it if need be.
Gingrich is far better IMO but all I require is credible conservatism and pro-life conviction.
Santorum would appoint decent judges.
He’s probably serious in his remarks about space exploration, which means he’s a small-minded fellow and no leader of consequence, but I’d take that.
He’d lose in November, but not by much, and he won’t cause us to lose the House.
Long as it’s not Romney, I’m at peace with it.


94 posted on 02/08/2012 6:29:19 PM PST by Lady Lucky (Public education -- government cheese for the brain.)
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Can you say “Cornhusker Kickback? I’m sure Ben Nelson is heaving a sigh of relief that he’s off the hook for that one.


95 posted on 02/08/2012 7:33:30 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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That explains why Rick is so passionate about repealing this boondoggle!


98 posted on 02/08/2012 8:15:11 PM PST by proudpapa
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If you think this will be a problem for santorum if he is our nominee you are dead wrong. If more than 3 in 100 know about that would be a lot. If half of them hold it against him as a more serious issue than Obamacare and therefore not vote for him that would be a surprise.
This is a total non-issue to the general voting public.
108 posted on 02/09/2012 5:55:07 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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Santorum has explained this. Spector promised him conservative supreme ct judges.


110 posted on 02/09/2012 8:14:33 AM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum! (He takes Paypal now for quick donations!))
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Ironically, Toomey came out in support of the sodomization of the US military through repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”.
That’s a deal breaker, and I won’t vote for him again.


117 posted on 02/10/2012 12:12:07 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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