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To: joanie-f; xzins; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Noumenon; Lurker; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave; amom; ...
As always, Joanie, very well and very compellingly stated.

I might add, that your test is really one of this individual's actions as opposed to his particular religion. Clearly his 20 years in that church impacts his actions, and it was his choice to go there.

But, if, as he says, he did not agree with these things and had then "chosen" in his presidency to govern constitutionally, and from a standpoint of the clear fundamental moral and republican principles upon which the constitution is based, we would not have the problem with him and seek to vote him out because of his religion.

No, it is precisely because he has chosen to act in concert with what Wright teaches, with what he learned from his associations with William Ayers, Frank Davis, Ralla Ordinga, and so many other radical anti-Americans that he must be removed.

There are so many instances of this rabidly anti-American ideology reflected in his administration that one can scaresly comprehend them all.

The list goes on and on, and is absolutely stunning. I never believed I would witness such overt actions at the Presidential level...but we have.

Xzins, of course there will be an America alive in four years if Obama remains president.

But what manner of America will it be if the list above continues and is compounded with even worse?

My and other's point on this thread is simply that the America that exists will be so far removed from the Constitution, and so drastically and hopelessly in debt, with the Free Market all but destroyed, that the ability for America to recover to her constitutional footing will be terribly inhibitied and drastically reduced.

It may take generations to recover...if we can at all and if we have the will at that point...and then, it may still not happen short of armed restoration as the current path continues. Such a confrontation would be horrific beyond description and should be avoided through the methods we now have at our disposal while it is still possible.

We need to do, IMHO, all in our power to defeat Barak Obama at the ballot box so we can avoid the very chance that any or all of these things might happen, and because he is so decidedly anti-Constitution and anti-American to his core.

I believe that's what we are saying and I pray we up to the task, particularly when the opposition candidate has such a poor record. As ppor as it is, it, IMHO, cannot be compared to what is happening under Obama.

God grant that we, and His Holy Spirit, can be enough indfluence on that man, if elected, that he will fulfill the very good promises he is making now as he campaigns and that he will not drift away from them and not slip back into trying to compromise with the very face of evil itself.

Even with all that...I do not "fear" the man Obama. I do want to do all I can to stop the evil that is behind him and supporting him...and perhaps, just perhaps in so doing, avoid some of the judgements of a merciful God that may else come to this land for the evil occurring here, and who may show us His infinite compassion as a people if we rise up and use the rights He has endowed us with to improve our land, so that II Chron 7:14 can become a reality for us once again.

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

I believe a part of turning "from their wicked ways," easily could be construed to mean doing all we can to defeat this wicked administration at the ballot box.

89 posted on 05/01/2012 9:26:39 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

Absolutely: anyone who does NOT clearly vote to stop Obama by voting for the Republican nominee---the only legit chance to stop him--- is continuing in "wicked ways." God used Cyrus to do great things, and Cyrus, not a Jew, did more to advance Jewish greatness than most of the Jewish kings because he was open to the word of Yahweh. I certainly thing God can use a Romney, who is open to His word, over an Obama, who is open only to the words of the moon god.

90 posted on 05/01/2012 9:46:56 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Jeff Head
They are not merely wicked, Jeff - they are monstrous. Monstrous beyond human recognition. As it stands now, it will require a housecleaning of Biblical proportions to restore a measure of the rule of law based upon the sanctity of life and the rights of the individual to this once free Republic. It's a butcher's bill, payable in blood.
95 posted on 05/01/2012 4:24:43 PM PDT by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: xzins; Jeff Head

Thank you both so very much for sharing your insights!


99 posted on 05/01/2012 9:56:19 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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