http://www.scribd.com/doc/79655719/James-Madison-on-Contested-Election-Citizenship-And-Birthright-22-May-1789-House-of-Representatives
And this is why I absolutely cannot stand YOU! Here you are, like a dog with a dead bird in it's mouth, wanting to come and drop it in your masters lap as though it were a present, all the while oblivious to the fact that it has been beaten to death, and he doesn't need it.
There is not a single person arguing this issue on this thread who is not aware of this cite, yet you come into this discussion with your pathetic little arguments and pretend to know what you are talking about. You have come to a gun fight with a squirt gun! Everyone else in this thread is leagues ahead of you in both knowledge and wisdom. Sometime Lurker is VERY WELL Familiar with James Madison's defense of William Smith.
Again, YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS THREAD THAT IS OBLIVIOUS TO THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THIS!
You are like the little child that brings a checkers game to a Chess tournament and wonders why no one wants to play with you. You make up for in persistence and LOUDNESS what you lack in knowledge and understanding. Your opinion is not worthy of consideration by anyone in this forum. SHUT UP! GROW UP! Come back when you are more knowledgeable and less stupid.
Sometime Lurker, I'm glad this guy is on your side. Were he on mine, I would have to frag him myself. He is like YOUR version of Orly Taitz!
Not only have you failed to get a single elected official to support your side of this argument.
Not only have you failed to get a single elected official to support your weird, silly theories of law.
Not only have you failed to get single noted conservative leader or talk show host or editorial writer on your side (Save WND) -—
You have also FAILED to refute what I have posted:
James Madison, Father of the Constitution, says clearly that ONLY Birthplace mattered, in the case in point, and James Madison ALSO says, clearly, that Congress has the power to legislate the law and provide further guidance on citizenship issues.
YOU LOST!
I not here to make you feel good about yourself.
I am not here to make anyone like me, I do not care what you think of me.
I AM HERE TO HELP PREVENT GOOD PEOPLE FROM BEING SUCKED IN TO YOUR FAILED STRATEGIES AND SILLY IDEAS!
The Conservative movement does not belong to you. Your strategy is an obvious failure, and you need to be outed for the failure that you are.
Nothing personal towards you, but simply a statement of fact, meant to protect others from your false, failed, harmful, wasteful opinions.
BTW, yes, James Madison was only one man, but he was a Founder.
As such, Madison carries far more weight than the Frenchman, Vattel, who was not one of our Founding Fathers!
Vattel is ONE MAN, and Vattel is NOT controlling on this matter, not at all.
First, the Citizenship status in the case in question was only a secondary reason for my original posting of this quote.
My primary intent was to show that James Madison, Father of the Constitution, clearly believed that the US Congress and the States (prior to the 14th) COULD pass legislation concerning all forms of Citizenship.
This case is GREAT for that purpose, as Madison CLEARLY states that more legislative guidance is needed, in a case that you radical Birthers clearly accept as a case of NBC!
Birthers have questioned my honesty and attribution frequently. Now, YOU seem to stipulate its veracity but challenge its meaning.
Now, to YOUR argument, which I was not making in the main here: Madison clearly states that the birth to two Citizens was NOT necessary to note, but that this WAS the claim of the person involved in this matter.
You lost, on this one.
You lost badly.
I am sad for you, DL. When we discussed things in the past, up until the last exchange, you were concerned with accuracy (as was I) and our exchanges were always civil. I am sad to see you name calling with such vitriol. If we excoriated every person who posts something we have already seen, these threads might be very bare, including of both of us.
New people join in from time, on both sides. I haven’t seen statements like this directed by you at those on your side who post well known quotes.
I hope and pray for a return to civil disagreement on these threads.