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To: sourcery
So when exactly did Smith become a U.S. Citizen by natural law? Was it after the Declaration of Independence or after the Adoption of the Constitution?
50 posted on 02/01/2012 12:50:39 PM PST by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Godebert
Per Madison, it was when the nation "The United States of America" became sovereign over the territory where one had citizenship, and the person accepted the new allegiance:
From an attention to the facts which have been adduced, and from a consideration of the principles established by the revolution, the conclusion I have drawn is, that Mr. Smith, was on the declaration of independence a citizen of the United-States, and unless it appears that he has forfeited his right, by some neglect or overt act, he had continued a citizen until the day of his election to a seat in this house.

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Mr. Smith being then, at the declaration of independence, a minor, but being a member of that particular society, he became, in my opinion, bound by the decision of the society with respect to the question of independence and change of government; and if afterward he had taken part with the enemies of his country, he would have been guilty of treason against that government to which he owed allegiance, and would have been liable to be prosecuted as a traitor.

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Those who left their country to take part with Britain were of two descriptions, minors, or persons of mature age. With respect to the latter nothing can be inferred with respect to them from the decision on the present case; because they had the power of making an option between the contending parties: whether this was a matter of right or not is a question which need not be agitated in order to settle the case before us. Then, with respect to those natives who were minors at the revolution, and whose case is analogous to Mr. Smith's, if we are bound by the precedent of such a decision as we are about to make, and it is declared, that they owe a primary allegiance to this country, I still think we are not likely to be inundated with such characters; so far as any of them took part against us they violated their allegiance and opposed our laws; so then there can be only a few characters, such as were minors at the revolution, and who have never violated their allegiance by a foreign connection, who can be affected by the decision of the present question. The number I admit is large who might be acknowledged citizens on my principles; but there will very few be found daring enough to face the laws of the country they have violated, and against which they have committed high treason.

Congressman's Smith's parents are not relevant. His father died before the revolution. What mattered was a) that he was a citizen of South Carolina when South Carolina became a State of the United States, and b) did not reject or betray his birth-allegiance to South Carolina or his acquired allegiance to the United States.

51 posted on 02/01/2012 1:31:35 PM PST by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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