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To: DiogenesLamp

I did read his essay and took issue with “Types of Citizenship ...” That’s why I quoted it in the response. There is one type or classification of citizenship available and it is undefined, Natural born citizen.

You can be a US Citizen and not be a Natural born citizen and you must be a US Citizen to be a Natural born citizen. Attempting to define Natural born citizen classification through natural law or common law transgresses a specific classification to a term of art which fluctuates with current political headwinds.

At this time, we can only determine who is a Natural born citizen by eliminating those who are not ...

Non-US Citizens are not.
US Citizens who naturalized are not.
US Citizens who obtained their citizenship through statute are not.
US Citizens who have or have had dual citizenship are not.
US Citizens who had to swear an Oath of Allegiance to obtain their US citizenship are not.
etc ...


42 posted on 02/01/2012 4:07:55 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: SvenMagnussen

“You can be a US Citizen and not be a Natural born citizen and you must be a US Citizen to be a Natural born citizen.”

You just distilled all the sturm and drang on this issue into one concise sentence.
Put another way, all beagles are dogs but not all dogs are beagles. A pure-bred beagle with all his/her reproductive organs intact, and satisfying all of the other AKC conditions, can participate in AKC dog shows, while Muttley the `Peakapoo’ cannot.

Hey, I didn’t write the rules—blame the AKC and framers!
But it does help explain why the White Hut occupant is such a mutt, doesn’t it?


71 posted on 02/05/2012 4:27:41 PM PST by tumblindice (No Romney, no way, no how)
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To: SvenMagnussen
US Citizens who have or have had dual citizenship are not.

Just curious. I am the 3rd of 6 children born to my parents - both of whom were US citizens from birth and by birth. My father was a career Air Force officer and was stationed in England for 4 years when I was very young. My younger brother was born while my father was stationed in England (in an English hospital, not on base). He derived dual citizenship from this and didn't renounce the English citizenship until he was commissioned an officer in the US Army. So you are saying that, because my brother happened to be born on foreign soil, while his father was serving there under the orders of the Commander in Chief, and that foreign government happened to grant dual citizenship, he is not eligible to be President of the United States?

I am sorry, but that does not meet my reading of the Constitution. Please elaborate.

By the way, my brother is a liberal and I would never vote for him for President - but that is different from being Constitutionally ineligible.

112 posted on 02/17/2016 3:58:50 AM PST by BruceS
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