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To: rodguy911; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
Your #1248 is really a pretty good summary of the situation in many respects.

Here's the problem David.

My goal,don't know if its yours or not,is to make a case that zero is either ineligible to run due to his fathers heritage or his place of birth.

Over the last four years we have failed to do that.

Why?

We are operating in a legal environment. And the other side has a cadre including some of the best lawyers in America; with the kind and character of support those kinds of lawyers have. I know many of them and all of them are very good at what they do.

Although I have no real first hand knowledge, just looking at the legal effort we have seen expended and knowing what we would charge, I would guess that they have spent as much as $10mm or maybe more from various pockets to date.

You don't win those kinds of multi jurisdictional contests with uncoordinated part time volunteers. Just doesn't happen.

And large, complex litigation that this kind of dispute involves takes significant attention from capable legal help. That is how it works.

The Georgia case is simple. You get either counterparts of the original affidavits or write new copies with respect to the many people to whom Zero has stated or who have heard Zero state that he was born in Mombasa in Kenya; I saw Race Bannon post here the other day--his story about meeting Zero in a bar in Honolulu in 1982 was very persuasive; you put in copies of all three fake Birth Certificates together with your expert evidence that they are all three fakes; you put in the record on the Sunahara birth number.

Your legal argument is that there is no scintilla of evidence that he was born in Hawaii; that the only and Best Evidence of his place of Birth is his statements against interest evidenced by the affidavits.

You get the judge to find that on the record, the evidence is that he was born in Kenya to a non-citizen father and a mother who not having been resident in the US for five years after age 14 could not pass citizenship to zero. You get him to conclude that as a matter of law, he is not a Natural Born Citizen on two grounds: 1) he was born outside the US; and 2) his father was not a US Citizen and his mother's US Citizenship is flawed. (You do the stuff about the citizenship, not because you think it is by itself a winning position but because you want them to be forced to respond to the argument.)

That you ought to be able to do and win with it. And in this case, because Zero failed to appear, that is a productive result.

The concern is if zero ever gets on the record, the risk is that he can prove he was born in the US. And it isn't very likely that he will let you blow him out of the water very many times with this case.

If he can get to the US Supreme Court with findings of fact demonstrating that he was born in the US, the Court is going to hold him eligible. My objectives; your objectives; everyone here with objectives; to the contrary notwithstanding, he wins that argument. If he is eligible, he can run if the Dem's will nominate him.

And to be fair, he does have some political problems also. As divisive as he is, he has picked up adversaries in both parties and there is a level of concern among the Dems. That is both good and bad--they may decide to replace him with a winning ticket.

The rest of your post combines two issues--why don't people talk about this; and where do we wind up.

I speculate that the reason you don't get any sympathy from the real opinion makers at FOX and in the political and judicial environment is because many of them have seen evidence that he was born in the United States.

Personally, I don't think zero is going to be able to hold it together to the election. Although I do think he was likely born in the United States, he is in fact a complete fraud. Nothing you know or think you know about him is real. Under those circumstances, I think the Dems will conclude he is not an effective candidate.

There is a sympathetic spin to be put on his real facts and he might be able to pull that off but I doubt it.

However the political fundamentals you outline are still correct--Romney is a form of Obama-lite; Newt is probably more conservative but a flawed candidate. Likely as an alternative you get Mrs. Clinton as a front for her husband.

None of that is very attractive.

1,259 posted on 01/29/2012 11:17:15 AM PST by David
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To: David
Thank you very much.

You are definitely in a league much higher than mine.

Although I have had some thoughts along the lines of who are his real father or mother. I often wonder if its likely that Piglosi would have put herself on the line for such a character as well.Maybe she knows the real truth.

Was he a product of grandpa Dunham who liked to frequent Honolulu black whores in which case he could be a NBC just not an admitted one.

Or the Malcolm X theories which are possibly even more likely. In either case absent DNA its all supposition. Thanks again for your eloquent reply.

1,268 posted on 01/29/2012 2:58:25 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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