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India to pay gold instead of dollars for Iranian oil. Oil and gold markets stunned
Debka File ^ | 1/23/2012 | DebkaFile

Posted on 01/23/2012 11:18:49 AM PST by JohnKinAK

India is the first buyer of Iranian oil to agree to pay for its purchases in gold instead of the US dollar, debkafile's intelligence and Iranian sources report exclusively. Those sources expect China to follow suit. India and China take about one million barrels per day, or 40 percent of Iran's total exports of 2.5 million bpd. Both are superpowers in terms of gold assets.

By trading in gold, New Delhi and Beijing enable Tehran to bypass the upcoming freeze on its central bank's assets and the oil embargo which the European Union's foreign ministers agreed to impose Monday, Jan. 23. The EU currently buys around 20 percent of Iran's oil exports.

The vast sums involved in these transactions are expected, furthermore, to boost the price of gold and depress the value of the dollar on world markets. Iran's second largest customer after China, India purchases around $12 billion a year's worth of Iranian crude, or about 12 percent of its consumption. Delhi is to execute its transactions, according to our sources, through two state-owned banks: the Calcutta-based UCO Bank, whose board of directors is made up of Indian government and Reserve Bank of India representatives; and Halk Bankasi (Peoples Bank), Turkey's seventh largest bank which is owned by the government. An Indian delegation visited Tehran last week to discuss payment options in view of the new sanctions. The two sides were reported to have agreed that payment for the oil purchased would be partly in yen and partly in rupees. The switch to gold was kept dark.

India thus joins China in opting out of the US-led European sanctions against Iran's international oil and financial business. Turkey announced publicly last week that it would not adhere to any sanctions against Iran's nuclear program unless they were imposed by the United Nations Security Council. The EU decision of Monday banned the signing of new oil contracts with Iran at once, while phasing out existing transactions by July 1, 2012, when the European embargo, like the measure enforced by the United States, becomes total. The European foreign ministers also approved a freeze on the assets of the Central Bank of Iran which handles all the country's oil transactions. However, the damage those sanctions cause the Iranian economy will be substantially cushioned by the oil deals to be channeled through Turkish and Indian state banks. China for its part has declared its opposition to sanctions against Iran.

debkafile's intelligence sources disclose that Tehran has set up alternative financial mechanisms with China and Russia for getting paid for its oil in currencies other than US dollars. Both Beijing and Moscow are keeping the workings of those mechanisms top secret.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; gold; goldbugs; goldforoil; india; indiagold; iran; iranoil; iranoilembargo; lebanon; methane; oilforgold; opec; petroleum
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To: GonzoGOP

This assumes they use the price of gold in dollars, which is based on paper gold. There’s nothing stopping the parties from negotiating the ratio of gold to oil completely independent of the price in dollars. There’s also nothing stopping a nation from creating a gold certificates based on their gold reserves and trading those. Plus once a nation starts paying for something in gold, they may seek to receive payment in gold for their exports, thereby making their gold reserves fluid.

Everyone thinks the dollar will collapse overnight........the more likely scenario is nations one by one just stop utilizing US Federal Reserve Notes.


21 posted on 01/23/2012 1:09:18 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK
RE: Indian gold supply. India uses the gold to buy oil. Iran exchanges gold freely for goods it needs (they WILL find a trading partner). India uses currency that would have gone to Iran to buy gold in the free market (where the Iranian gold has "recirculated").

This is just a way around the sanctions. "Money" laundering for the new age.

22 posted on 01/23/2012 1:10:16 PM PST by cincinnati65 (We've been taken for a ride - by Wall Street and Washington DC - Welcome to Amerika!)
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To: JohnKinAK
Plus once a nation starts paying for something in gold, they may seek to receive payment in gold for their exports, thereby making their gold reserves fluid.

However in both cases the amount of gold available to the trading partners would need to go up. If India demands payment in gold their trading partners will need to get gold from someplace in order to pay them. Simple supply and demand holds that if more gold is needed, and the amount of gold being mined is inelastic, the price of gold is going to go up. Heck if the price get high enough even the guys on Discovery channel might turn a profit.
23 posted on 01/23/2012 1:15:14 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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24 posted on 01/23/2012 1:31:35 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: GonzoGOP; jpsb

Yeah, there’s no way they are going to do this at the current gold price.

India (nor China) has enough gold to pay for their oil.

I doubt they would do it at much higher prices either.

I think it’s going to become very difficult to get anyone to part with real, physical gold very soon.


25 posted on 01/23/2012 1:35:19 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
I think it’s going to become very difficult to get anyone to part with real, physical gold very soon.

One of the things I most fear is that the US, being the worlds largest debtor and also holding 26% of the worlds entire gold supply, may be forced to make payments in gold rather than dollars. We should never do it, but Obama has done a lot of things that never should have been done.
26 posted on 01/23/2012 1:41:39 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

The U.S. being the largest holder of gold is the kicker. Assuming that it’s really there, of course. But I don’t think anyone will be making payments in gold. I’d be surprised if we don’t give everyone US dollars for the gold we have stored for them in NYC. Perhaps at some astronomical price, but fiat nonetheless. It would hack everybody off, but sending gold out of the country is going to become unthinkable once the fiat depreciation really get going. I’m betting that the U.S. finds a way to steal it ‘fair and square’.


27 posted on 01/23/2012 2:17:33 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: JohnKinAK
Sounds like nonsense.

Countries settling accounts in gold would still work through the banking system. In other words, they would exchange titles to gold; not load trucks up with the stuff and run it over.

28 posted on 01/23/2012 3:25:51 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: BfloGuy
not load trucks up with the stuff and run it over

On further thought, I suppose that if they were desperate enough they could. But could you imagine the news coverage of that convoy?

29 posted on 01/23/2012 3:34:29 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

NRIs are very politically influential in the US. Sanctions against India are a nonstarter.


30 posted on 01/23/2012 3:52:42 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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