Fully agreed. Nice to see someone actually in this pastor's church come on here to defend and explain him.
BTW, I'm really encouraged by reading Newt Gingrich's thirty-year-history of trying to reach out to conservative blacks who should be voting Republican. That's important. There are many people in
Cletus.D.Yokel wrote on Monday, January 23, 2012 7:53:21 AM 48 of 58 to to darrellmaurina: “:: attacked by a homosexual mob :: Yo, Lot! Send your new friends out to “play” with us!”
I wasn't in the church that day (I kept my membership there for quite a few years after I moved) but from what I understand it was a quite horrifying incident for a group of high school kids on a summer mission trip from a rural Midwestern state.
I think they got a close-up and personal understanding of just how seriously committed militant homosexuals are to their perverted agenda. I hope they were motivated to be equally committed to the Cross.
Monday, January 23, 2012 7:32:48 AM · 43 of 58 surroundedbyblue to darrellmaurina: “’But many evangelical Christians and conservative Roman Catholics agree with what this pastor said, though perhaps not with the way he said it.’ That sums it up nicely for this Roman Catholic. I agree that homosexuality is an abomination & like abortion, is intrinsically evil. Can’t say I would have put it quite like this pastor did, though. I do beleive that with God’s grace, people can change & repent. I pray daily for the conversion of homos as well as abortionists. I turst that God will forgive them if they seek Him.”
On this point, Roman Catholics and evangelicals agree. It's part of why I believe we need to work together in the political realm to win elections, without minimizing our serious disagreements on core issues of doctrine.
Monday, January 23, 2012 7:12:16 AM · 36 of 58 jagusafr to darrellmaurina: “’There’s no way to “play nice” with homosexuals and avoid their wrath’ Truth of the day, DM. A great observation - the issue won’t ever be anything but ugly, so may as well understand that when we take a stand against homosexuality.”
Yep. There are lots of issues on which I can disagree civilly with liberals, but homosexuality is one on which being nice simply does not work in many cases.
I have a decades-long track record of saying angry and extreme statements by conservatives turn people off and are not only unnecessary and unhelpful but actually counterproductive.
I no longer believe that with regard to homosexuality. It may be the only issue on which I believe venting fire against our political enemies works.
The reason why is because the radical gay agenda goes out of its way to feature stuff like Code Pink, leather-studded drag queens, and other perversions. People need to understand that gay relationships simply are **NOT** like heterosexual marriage, or even heterosexual live-in relationships. Many homosexual couples are only relatively monogamous, and extreme sexual perversion (gerbiling and fisting, anyone?) is added on top of the inherently disgusting behaviors of anal and oral copulation homosexuals have to do because “the parts don't fit,” as someone I know puts it.
I know fiery rhetoric isn't used by all homosexuals. I know quite a few conservative homosexuals, and used to know more before I moved to the Bible Belt where most homosexuals are “in the closet” regardless of political party. I can have a rational discussion with Republican homosexuals, and with few liberal homosexuals.
But there does seem to be something about the gay agenda that fills many of its advocates with a seething rage against conservative Christians. Over many years of dealing with homosexuals in politics, I've come to the conclusion that demon possession may be the only rational explanation for their otherwise inexplicable and self-destructive behavior, coupled with utter hatred of Christianity and Christians, even those conservative Christians who would be willing to work together on conservative issues not related to moral values.
In my view, any compromise with homosexuality on the part of conservatives is potential suicide. I came to that view reluctantly, but it's one I know hold with conviction. Log Cabin Republicans can do what they want, but I can't treat them as allies — unless we're comparing the relationship to our World War II allegiance with Stalin to fight an even worse evil in Hitler.
Maybe I'd feel differently if I lived in California or New York and needed to deal with homosexual libertarians to win elections, but I just can't accept a gay Republican coalition except under the most extreme cases.
May I share a little story?
I do a lot of shipping, and had been using a UPS Store in an area of Ft. Lauderdale that was en-route to my teaching job. A new employee there, who was “obviously” homosexual began to rant about “Evangelical Conservatives” who had put a “Blatantly Homophobic and Hateful Calendar on Amazon”. He ranted on and on as he was processing my order, and I gently said that “True Christians don’t hate people, but they have a right to disagree with someone’s lifestyle, etc”, but he just kept spouting bile until the transaction was completed. Then I gently said, “I don’t hate you, and I have never said anything to you about what I perceived to be your life, but You, on the other hand, have launched an unprovoked attack on ME for MY choices. Just WHO is the hater?”
Oh, and BTW, I checked out the “Blatantly Homophobic and hateful Calendar” that was on Amazon. It was not very good artwork, and EXTREMELY mild and not really very funny, as satire goes. Certainly not something to get one’s dander up! :-)
I never went back to that store. There are plenty of Shipping places in town where I am treated like a valued customer.