To: Yosemitest
Screw a brokered convention when ANOTHER moderate can be foised upon us! You talk about rebellion-there would be SO much rebellion that it would threatend to split or destroy the Republican Party if this happened: GUARANTEED!
2 posted on
01/21/2012 4:57:14 AM PST by
JSDude1
To: JSDude1
Appears some group does not really believe accepting the “Will of the People”
5 posted on
01/21/2012 5:01:13 AM PST by
Lockbox
To: JSDude1
"You talk about rebellion-
there would be SO much rebellion that it would threatend to split or destroy the Republican Party if this happened:
GUARANTEED!"
"Establishment Republicans" wouldn't care.
If they can't be in power,
they don't want US in power. It's just that simple.
It's WAR!
"Establishment Republicans" Want to Redefine the Term "Conservative"
"DO CONSERVATIVES WANT TO WIN IN 2012 OR NOT?"
DO
CONSERVATIVES "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" WANT TO WIN IN 2012 OR NOT?
Palin was my first choice, but she dropped out.
Bachmann became my first choice,and she dropped out.
Cain was my second choice, but he dropped our.
Now ... Newt was my second choice, but he challenged Rush.
So now ... Rick Santorum, who use to be my third choice, is now my first choice.
But Romney, Perry, Ron Paul, Huntsman, and Johnson are NOT acceptable,
and if on the ballot for the general election for President or V.P., would cause me to do a write in.
There's no way in hell I can compromise my values.
Jack Kerwick wrote an article on May 24, 2011 titled The Tea Partier versus The Republican and he expressed some important issues that I agree with.
Thus far, the field of GOP presidential contenders, actual and potential, isnt looking too terribly promising.
This, though, isnt meant to suggest that any of the candidates, all things being equal, lack what it takes to insure
that Barack Obama never sees the light of a second term; nor is it the case that I find none of the candidates appealing.
Rather, I simply mean that at this juncture, the party faithful is far from unanimously energized over any of them.
It is true that it was the rapidity and aggressiveness with which President Obama proceeded to impose his perilous designs upon the country
that proved to be the final spark to ignite the Tea Party movement.
But the chain of events that lead to its emergence began long before Obama was elected.
That is, it was actually the disenchantment with the Republican Party under our compassionate conservative president, George W. Bush,
which overcame legions of conservatives that was the initial inspiration that gave rise to the Tea Party.
It is this frustration with the GOPs betrayal of the values that it affirms that accounts for why the overwhelming majority
of those who associate with or otherwise sympathize with the Tea Party movement
refuse to explicitly or formally identify with the Republican Party.
And it is this frustration that informs the Tea Partiers threat to create a third party
in the event that the GOP continues business as usual.
If and when those conservatives and libertarians who compose the bulk of the Tea Party, decided that the Republican establishment
has yet to learn the lessons of 06 and 08, choose to follow through with their promise,
they will invariably be met by Republicans with two distinct but interrelated objections.
First, they will be told that they are utopian, purists foolishly holding out for an ideal candidate.
Second, because virtually all members of the Tea Party would have otherwise voted Republican if not for this new third party, they will be castigated for essentially giving elections away to Democrats.
Both of these criticisms are, at best, misplaced; at worst, they are just disingenuous.
At any rate, they are easily answerable.
Lets begin with the argument against purism. To this line, two replies are in the coming.
No one, as far as I have ever been able to determine, refuses to vote for anyone who isnt an ideal candidate.
Ideal candidates, by definition, dont exist.
This, after all, is what makes them ideal.
This counter-objection alone suffices to expose the argument of the Anti-Purist as so much counterfeit.
But there is another consideration that militates decisively against it.
A Tea Partier who refrains from voting for a Republican candidate who shares few if any of his beliefs
can no more be accused of holding out for an ideal candidate
than can someone who refuses to marry a person with whom he has little to anything in common
be accused of holding out for an ideal spouse.
In other words, the object of the argument against purism is the most glaring of straw men:I will not vote for a thoroughly flawed candidate is one thing;
I will only vote for a perfect candidate is something else entirely.
As for the second objection against the Tea Partiers rejection of those Republican candidates who eschew his values and convictions,
it can be dispensed with just as effortlessly as the first.
Every election seasonand at no time more so than this past seasonRepublicans pledge to reform Washington, trim down the federal government, and so forth.
Once, however, they get elected and they conduct themselves with none of the confidence and enthusiasm with which they expressed themselves on the campaign trail,
those who placed them in office are treated to one lecture after the other on the need for compromise and patience.
Well, when the Tea Partiers impatience with establishment Republican candidates intimates a Democratic victory,
he can use this same line of reasoning against his Republican critics.
My dislike for the Democratic Party is second to none, he can insist.
But in order to advance in the long run my conservative or Constitutionalist values, it may be necessary to compromise some in the short term.
For example,
as Glenn Beck once correctly noted in an interview with Katie Couric,
had John McCain been elected in 2008, it is not at all improbable that, in the final analysis,
the country would have been worse off than it is under a President Obama.
McCain would have furthered the countrys leftward drift,
but because this movement would have been slower,
and because McCain is a Republican, it is not likely that the apparent awakening that occurred under Obama would have occurred under McCain.
It may be worth it, the Tea Partier can tell Republicans, for the GOP to lose some elections if it means that conservativesand the countrywill ultimately win.
If he didnt know it before, the Tea Partier now knows that accepting short-term loss in exchange for long-term gain is the essence of compromise, the essence of politics.
Ironically, he can thank the Republican for impressing this so indelibly upon him.
I'm fresh out of
"patience", and I'm not in the mood for
"compromise".
"COMPROMISE" to me is a dirty word.
Let the
RINO's compromise their values, with the conservatives, for a change.
The "Establishment Republicans" can go to hell!
11 posted on
01/21/2012 5:06:54 AM PST by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die!)
To: JSDude1
The only thing good about even the prospect of a brokered convention is that the present candidates have pretty well destroyed each other for Obozo in the Fall. Can you imagine what it would do to the psyche of this nation if out of the GOP Convention came a young, fresh face (hopefully with a Conservative brain) and flushed down the toilet all the crap we’ve had with the present, and past, GOP candidates for the past year? Someone like Bobby Jindal of LA or the young Congressman Joe Walsh of Illinois, or New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez........ America would sigh a sigh of relief and probably go viral for that candidate.
Am I right or wrong? Anybody?
12 posted on
01/21/2012 5:10:35 AM PST by
no dems
(I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
To: JSDude1
“Screw a brokered convention when ANOTHER moderate can be foised upon us! “
Anything can happen in a brokered convention, but it won’t happen without organization.
There is great danger in putting all the conservative eggs in the Newt basket - especially when he has turned on conservatism many times before.
Neither Newt or Romney are right for conservatism.
Conservatives have been short-changed in this primary cycle, and conservatives are not ready for the possibility of a brokered convention, and should be.
To: JSDude1
The calculation being made is that the religious conservatives will vote for the R no matter what. It may be true, but not in the numbers they are hoping for.
38 posted on
01/21/2012 6:00:29 AM PST by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: JSDude1
I take it then, that you would be opposed to a brokered McCain-Dole ticket? That young fellow Mitt would be a splendid Postmaster General.
Me? Well, I am going to vote for Obama because it would be really way kool to have a two-term black President to show the world we are not prejudiced or stuck on carbon-generating fossil fuels.
43 posted on
01/21/2012 6:08:59 AM PST by
Kenny Bunk
((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
To: JSDude1
Our Republic has survived many brokered conventions.
To: JSDude1
I agree. The Romneys, the Roves, the Ailes, the Dana Perrinos, the Bushes, the Boehners, the Keans, the McConnells, the Christies - ALL OF THEM - represent the GOP establishment and the GOP establishment has sanctified Romney as one of their own.
They will not allow the will of the voters to undermine their collective plots and schemes without a fight to the death.
And if Gingrich IS the nominee, don;t be surprised if they try to pull a “Barry Goldwater” maneuver by refusing to support him. After all, Mittens’ Daddy George was one of the assassins who stabbed Goldwater in the back back in the early 1960’s.
64 posted on
01/21/2012 6:30:45 AM PST by
ZULU
(LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
To: JSDude1
“Screw a brokered convention when ANOTHER moderate can be foised upon us! You talk about rebellion-there would be SO much rebellion that it would threatend to split or destroy the Republican Party if this happened: GUARANTEED!”
Agree on all points. The ‘smoke filled room’ would produce some empty suit GOP hack. It would look like a clothing store mannequin, talk like GHW Bush and vote like McCain. Some Romney Mark 2. No.
79 posted on
01/21/2012 6:54:31 AM PST by
Psalm 144
(Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
To: JSDude1
I agree. A brokered convention could only be kept from the establishment if the delegates themselves rebelled against the leadership and refused to put a rino stool-pigeon in place.
I want no Chris Rino Cristie.
I want no Mitch Rino Daniels.
I want a bold, forceful, proud American-exceptionalism conservative.
And I will NEVER support any candidate whose pro-life record is NOT bold, clear, and absolutely without doubt.
104 posted on
01/21/2012 7:58:06 AM PST by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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