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To: thesearethetimes...
Tatt btw I so appreciate your faith in God - it is very refreshing - thank you for reminding me at the end of your posts - it is a wonderful practice.

I have some additional thoughts to share I decided to take some time and organize them.  Here they are - hope they provide some more insight to why I feel the way I do.

Now I am definitely concerned with how far Rick would go with the government.  These are the things that I know for sure.
These past presidents were horror shows for American freedom and liberty.  These are the villains that had all work together and cast the net that has caused our country to decline.  How come Gingrich never talks about Calvin Coolidge? 

You just can’t say these things over and over again and not really believe in this crap.  Gingrich will be another president that says...it depends on what you definition of "is", is?

I know exactly how Rick Santorum feels about the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution and I agree with him (excerpt below):

Ron Paul has a libertarian view of the Constitution. I do not. The Constitution has to be read in the context of another founding document, and that’s the Declaration of Independence. Our country never was a libertarian idea of radical individualism. We have certain values and principles that are embodied in our country. We have God-given rights.

The Constitution is not the why of America; it’s the how of America. It’s the operator’s manual. It’s the rules we have to play by to ensure something. And what do we ensure? God-given rights.
 
And so to read the Constitution as the end-all, be-all is, in a sense, what happened in France. You see, during the time of our revolution, we had a Declaration of Independence that said, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, [that they are] endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 
So we were founded as a country that had God-given rights that the government had to respect. And with those rights come responsibilities, right? God did not just give us rights. He gave us a moral code by which to exercise them. See, that’s what Ron Paul sort of leaves out. He leaves out rights and responsibilities that we have from God that this Constitution is to protect. And he says, No, we just have rights, and then that’s it.  No, we don’t. America is a moral enterprise.
 
My understanding of our founding documents and the purpose of this country is different. I would argue that [Paul’s] understanding of the Constitution was similar to the French Revolution and the French understanding of the Constitution. The French had 21, I think, constitutions, but their constitutions were initially patterned after the American Constitution. Gave radical freedom, like ours does. But their founding document was not the Declaration of Independence. Their founding watchwords were the words, liberty and fraternity. Fraternity. Brotherhood. But no fatherhood. No God. It was a completely secular revolution. An anti-clerical revolution. And the root of it was, whoever’s in power rules.

http://www.reveresride.net/2012/01/18/rick-santorum-claims-the-constitution-and-declaration-of-independence-are-not-libertarian/

Now people want to criticize Santorum over this.  He is absolutely 100% correct about this.  We have to be very careful of the path we choose.  Even Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine got the French Revolution wrong just like Bill Crystal was dead wrong about the Arab Spring.

 We only succeed because of an underlying moral code, not just free-for-all individuals doing anything they want to do.

This is the decision we face.  Continue down the GOP we have to vote for this guy road or do we actually take the time to become informed, educated and choose a candidate based on morals, ethics and principles.  Obama will easily make the case that Gingrich has NONE of those.  Obama will paint Gingrich as another Bush which America WILL believe.  Obama will destroy Gingrich with negative ads the debates will not be enough to sway the Ron Paul supporters, the independents and the Reagan democrats...all which we need to win back the WH.

 At least Santorum can use truth in his campaign.

 This isn’t rocket science, the facts are all there.  Gingrich’s record is all there.  If people are foolish enough to believe a "Realpolitik Wilsonian".   We are going to get exactly what we deserve.  This isn't the time to cave into the establishment - haven't we been doing that since Reagan?  How has that worked out for us so far?




648 posted on 01/20/2012 10:33:32 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer
•I don't have to worry about Rick stating Andrew Jackson had the right approach to his enemies - kill them - Who were Andrew Jackson's enemies - the native American indian - remember manifest destiny?

Why on G-d's green earth would a conservative have a problem with manifest destiny?

If anything, we need to expand and take over more territory for colonization. I'd have annexed Afghanistan and Iraq, put the natives into reservations and then opened the land up (forty acres and a mule!).

And after a decade of that, both Iraq and Afghanistan would be prosperous, well-governed American territories nearing the cusp of statehood.

Compare that with the present... and tell me again how manifest destiny is a bad idea.

671 posted on 01/20/2012 7:09:23 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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