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To: volunbeer; dirtboy
Who voted for these idiots?

Obama was voted in too. Do you deserve the results?

473 posted on 01/07/2012 11:06:07 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Seniors have long formed a voting block that prevented any serious reform of Social Security and Medicare. They voted in the frauds that created the system and they voted in the frauds that perpetuated the system. They are hardly innocent bystanders to the entitlement train wreck now facing this country.

And your talk of granny freezing in the dark is right out of the Dem/AARP playbook in blocking needed reforms. The average granny, if her Social Security were cut, might have to cut back one vacation trip a year. For each granny who lives off her Social Security, there are two or more who increase their level of luxury from it - while the working stiffs paying the taxes struggle to have enough pay left to build their own retirement savings.

I do not begrude seniors their wealth. But there also should not be a massive wealth transfer from those nowhere near as well off as they are to them.

So Santorum is right here - he is not saying cut the benefits to those on fixed incomes on SS - but instead to cut it to those who can absorb a cut. Because as a poster noted, those who retired in 1990 or so got back what they paid in within a couple of years. If they are 86 now, it means they have gotten a 10-1 payout. That is an entitlement.

476 posted on 01/07/2012 11:13:02 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: DJ MacWoW

Obama was voted in too. Do you deserve the results?


Welcome to the human condition FRiend!

Do you think everyone in Germany in the 1930’s wanted National Socialism? I doubt it. They suffered the consequences just as we are going to suffer the inevitable reality of a culture that lives far beyond it’s means and trusts in an out of control government to care for us.

Cradle to grave, right?

The founding fathers warned each generation to be vigilant against expanding government. They failed and we are failing.

I believe it is my responsibility to plan and save for my own retirement. I believe it is my responsibility to take care of my parents, not yours. Luckily, my parents felt the same way so they saved enough that they will never be a burden on me. If they had not, I would still care for them. If I did not save enough or plan for retirement the constitution does not say that I am entitled to my own house, electricity, telephone, cable, internet, water, and sewage for one person or two. If I can’t afford it than I should find roommates or move in with family. That is more sensible to me than trying to maintain a residence on a check that does not go far enough. My grandmother is doing this now and it is frustrating to watch! I help pay for her lifestyle of sitting alone in a 3 bedroom home watching television...... the American dream I suppose.

That is the America our constitution provided for... not the socialist nation we inherited and will obviously leave for our children and grandchildren.


495 posted on 01/07/2012 1:59:19 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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