[babygene]

“Ok, if it is not a welfare program, what is it?”

It’s money that was invested over a lifetime for one’s old age that was stolen by the government and handed out to others. The fact that it was mismanaged doesn’t do away with the debt. The money that was stolen, BTW, was stolen from the young not the old, because even though the money is gone the young still have an obligation to their parents.

As for the young generation taking care of the old; There is a responsibility there... That’s the way it has been since the beginning of time. A corollary to the parent caring for the kids.

[drbuzzard]

>It’s money that was invested over a lifetime for one’s old age that was stolen by the government and handed out to others. The fact that it was mismanaged doesn’t do away with the debt. The money that was stolen, BTW, was stolen from the young not the old, because even though the money is gone the young still have an obligation to their parents.

It’s not invested money since it has never been yours. Once you paid that tax to the government, it became theirs to do with as they saw fit. Every one of those Social Security notes people gets does specifically point out that the numbers are merely estimates subject to change as the need might arise.

But it is pretty clear that you have no problem with the idea of perpetuating the theft. The young of yesterday were robbed, so we must rob the young of tomorrow. Well I can tell you simply that when the burden gets to be too much, something will give. If it’s Weimar inflation or some other way out, it will be found. The current system is utterly unsustainable, and to deny that is to live in a dreamworld.

>As for the young generation taking care of the old; There is a responsibility there... That’s the way it has been since the beginning of time. A corollary to the parent caring for the kids.

I have no onus to pay for anyone but my family. I may well take on such things as charity, but it is nothing more than that. You are getting pretty well into “from those according to ability, to those according to need” territory.