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To: null and void
obamaeligibility.org? Who are these people?

They are who showed up on a search for McCain's fake birth certificate.

Anyway, I'm willing to accept that the BC showing Colón as fake, and the magical no-one-has-an-actual-copy CZ BC as genuine.

As that seems to be the truth, that is what I accept as well.

McCain is not now, nor has he ever been, Constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President of the United States.

Okay, now you've just confused me. If you accept that McCain was born on the Military base, how can you argue that he wasn't eligible? (Not that it matters a hill of beans at this point.)

As for Mitt, I haven't seen any evidence that his father and mother were not American Citizens. Being born in Mexico does not make his father a non-american. It just means he doesn't have 14th amendment citizenship. He still has derivative citizenship from HIS Father.

Now I don't care much for Mitt, (H3ll, I don't trust ANY North Eastern Republicans. I like Perry or Santorum.) but I don't see any reason to question his claim on citizenship. The evidence is going to have to get a lot better before I start taking this claim seriously.

91 posted on 01/02/2012 4:25:00 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Ha! You must have thought that using the “3” instead of the “e” in h3ll disguised it. Ha!

When I was a kid, there was a gas station sign in our hometown (Esso - with the funny looking backwards “3” making the “E”). I really aggravated my Daddy by insisting that it was “3”sso instead of “E”sso. (He really thought I was serious and I never told him different.) Poor guy TRIED and TRIED to straighten me out on that; but I persisted in my obnoxious way. - Then for a reward he still got me a cold drink and a pack of peanuts to pour into my drink.

Ha Ha! I still get a kick out of that. Poor guy!


93 posted on 01/02/2012 4:35:51 PM PST by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Okay, now you've just confused me. If you accept that McCain was born on the Military base, how can you argue that he wasn't eligible?

Vattel. Jus sanguinis certainly, jus soli no. To be a Natural Born Citizen, you need to have satisfied both conditions.

Is he a citizen? Yes, unquestionably, by all means, and by any accepted definition.

The Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, clearly intended that the President be more, that he be that clearest and purest form of American, one who was both born here, and born of two American citizen parents. They recognized that he needed to be above any hint of foreign allegiance or entanglements.

Just suppose McCain had been elected: What would be his appropriate response should what happened in Honduras have happened in Panama?

ANY response he gave, whether he supported the Panamanian Constitution or the Panamanian Zelaya would be subject to endless second guessing and challenges. (A lack of a response would be a sign of weakness...)

95 posted on 01/02/2012 5:00:46 PM PST by null and void (Day 1077 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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