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To: MestaMachine

Here are the assumptions I am making.

That your statement about conversion to Islam is true.
That you are referring to the conversion of Western people to Islam when you refer to “normal” people as converting. Finally, there are three major religions for Western people: Islam, Judism and Christianity. Judism is out because it does not welcome converts. It is more exclusively ethnic or blood line based. Christanity and Islam are open to converts.

The answer is that the nature of multiculturalism has purposefully stripped Western people and especially heterosexual men, of a worthy cultural and spiritual idenity. It is anti-male, anti-West and anti-Christian. Western elitists are directly oppressive and hateful towards Western societies/Nations and Christian people and their philosphy, history and systems. They do not mess with and debase Islam.

In Europe, Muslims are systematically perferred. When they murder or rape western people, there is no care about it among the elite and no criminal justice to protect Western citizens. It is safer to survive in a Muslim dominate system if you are Muslim. The lives of Western people is cheap, their organized tribal power forbidden as racist, and the State abuses them as a result.

Islam is international, independent and organized all over the world. Christianity is isolated, targeted and oppressed all over the world even in the West - it’s own historical place in the world. Westerners are scapegoated and disrespected. In a globalist market and governing construct, it is safer and you are more connected and networked being Muslim. You can have pride in your idenity within Islam.

Western people are not free to associate and network with one another outside of church to the exclusion of others and so the group is weak and members isolated. Muslims are permitted freedom of association so the group is strong. They can pray together every day and therefore identify who is in their group and share a common set of values and loyalty. Christians are forbidden by courts to pray together. They are not permitted to address one another as Christians outside of isolated and weakened faith churches. Saying “Merry Christmas” to one another during Christmas is a rebellious act.

For Western men having been abused by elitist feminism and homosexuality, they do no have to worry about this in Islam. Women have their role in life and men have theirs. The nature of heterosexual men is not disrespected. Their place as head of the household and economic, spiritual, moral and cultural leaders over their children, is not disputed within the community and the group will stand up against abusers outside the group.

Western people are not permitted to define themsleves; their own idenity and boundries so they have none. Muslims do define themselves and will smack anyone who talks down to them and debases their religion like the elistists talk down to and debase Westerners. There is no equivalent to “piss Christ” in Islam. They practice their religion freely and Western elitists don’t mess with them. They will pursue any bully who messes with their members. Christians will not and they are easily manipulated and divided against one another by menacing outsiders and internal rebellion or faith and church wreckers. You don’t see homosexuals raiding Mosques and demanding they change their faith and re-organize their society and families around homos. You don’t see Imans celebrating their homosexual lifestyle against the faith, in front of the congregation like in Christian churches. You don’t see Islamic men being made into wage slaves to divorced wives like Christian men are. In Christianity, you do see this kind of immoral and insane attack from immoral and insane sexual perps all the time. The Christian faith has been twisted to accomodate the abuse rather than stand up to it, make it painful and dangerous to attack and expel it. Obama has directly attacked Catholics by ordering them to sin in the name of women’s socialist health care. You would not see this immoral attack on Muslims in a Islamic nation. The female running HHS who made the decision to attack the Catholic faith and people, would not have a head to tell about it if this were an Islamic dominated country and culture and she attacked Muslims like this.

So, in summary. One, Judism, is exclusionary. One, Christianity, is isolated, attacked, divided, confused, weak and feeble. The other, Islam, is united, clear, strong, organized and wields power, pride and protection. If you are a Western young person raised under the boot of anti-West cultural cleansing Marxist social ideology, looking at this menu, what would you chose?


273 posted on 02/06/2012 9:01:13 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson; MestaMachine; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; ...

Mestamachine’s question:
“I would like to pose this question to the entire ping list.
Why do you PERSONALLY think that so many seemingly normal people all over the world are converting to islam?”

see this answer at #273

thoughtful and ohhhhhhhhh so chilling


293 posted on 02/06/2012 9:03:33 PM PST by bitt (Socialism works great until you run out of Chinese money.)
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To: SaraJohnson

everything you said is correct about Islam but it leaves out the Biblical Christian perspective

Islam appeals to the flesh, it appeals to the senses

Christianity is a Spiritual appeal, it appeals to man’s sin nature, something that men do not want to admit

By responding Biblically to that Holy Spirit a man is saved, but that is the rub

men do not want to respond to the Holy Spirit

They want to do it themselves, in their own flesh, they want to earn it

Islam appeals to the flesh, to man’s desire to do it his own way, to ignore God’s Grace and God’s provision through Jesus Christ

Satan appeals to our flesh so men do not respond to Christ. Islam ignores Christ and men work their way to heaven

But you sure nailed the first part of that one!


294 posted on 02/06/2012 9:28:06 PM PST by RaceBannon (Romney would surrender to Islam as fast as Obama promotes it)
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To: SaraJohnson; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; ...

END TIMES PING TO SARA’S POST

#273


295 posted on 02/06/2012 10:22:36 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: SaraJohnson
Christianity, is isolated, attacked, divided, confused, weak and feeble.

When we are weak He is strong! The rapture may be today! :)

297 posted on 02/06/2012 10:56:18 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: SaraJohnson

Nonsense. Judaism (not “Judism”), welcomes converts and converts become true Jews, included in the bloodline in the same matrilinear way as others. What Judaism does NOT do is proselytize. You have to make the move on your own.

So, Christianity and Islam are part of the same predatory beast, historically converting by the sword. Judaism does not behead, burn, or run an Inquisition.


305 posted on 02/07/2012 6:00:06 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: SaraJohnson

WHOA! What a powerful post!!!


306 posted on 02/07/2012 7:16:50 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (Farewell sweet Rick, we barely knew ye...)
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To: SaraJohnson

Your response is an excellent starting place, but you are overlooking some salient points which complicate your answer. On the face of it, it looks deep, but once you scratch the outer skin, all sorts of troubling contradictions bubble to the surface.

What you have stated is what it LOOKS like now, but my question was more on HOW did it get this way... because it couldn’t have if people by and large had not lost pride in their own rich heritages and cultures.

First of all, it isn’t true that Judaism does not welcome converts. They do if they are free will conversions since Jews are forbidden to proselytize. (Had to get that one out of the way.)

islam, which should technically be called mohammedanism, is by no means superior, but it IS of one hive-like mind which has never changed throughout the centuries. It has never given anyone a reason to choose it. It has never given anything to the world except destruction and defilement of the body and soul. It imprisons the mind. There is no free thought or free will. It is indeed a mental aberration which is scientifically discernible.

muslim men are extremely sexually retarded and repressed. Bestiality is commonplace as is man on boy pedophilia. Indeed, they are taught by their imams the proper ways to have sex with animals. Homosexuality is so rampant in islam that there is literally no word for it. It is the norm. It is used by grown men to exert authority and dominance in clans and families. Young boys are used as sex slaves kidnapped from their parents and sold to pleasure wealthy muslim men. Sex with women is violent and demeaning. Rape is prevalent. Rape of western women is seen as punishment and sex with muslim women is seen as subjugation. Love seldom plays a role in any of these relationships because LOVE is commanded to be reserved ONLY for allah and no other.

Rape of Western women by muslim men is up a thousandfold in Europe. It is an epidemic and authorities are stymied on how to deal with it. It is so commonplace that it is almost being taken for granted...and this is one of the things that blow me right out of the water, THIS is their culture, demanded and rewarded by their ‘religon’. They consider it their right and they will fight any attempt from any quarter to change or punish this outrage.

Where ONE muslim locates, ten more follow. They multiply like cockroaches and overwhelm the system. Most exist on the government dole. Their main trades are drugs and human trafficking/slavery. They take over neighborhoods and then cities. They use the laws which already exist in civilized countries to insulate themselves and classify themselves as victims until they have sufficient numbers to become the dominant factor and therefore the victors.

They do not confine themselves to the big cities. They will migrate to any and every rural area to establish a foothold. Look around. There is almost nowhere you can go in THIS country without finding at least one muslim family, and within a year or two, entire tracts of rural land are under their control.

They pretend to be something they are not. Lying to fool Westerners and others is a way of life. They outwardly preach peace while conducting war. All out, full on, straight up war on Western civilization or any culture that does not follow their mad prophet. Murder and slaughter is as natural to them as breathing and yet we do not condemn them for it. Instead we rationalize excuses for it...none of which make any sense or have any basis in reality.

You can’t romanticize barbarianism. It is a horror, an affliction on the earth. And contrary to what you surmised, there is no identity within islam. You are part of the entire body with no mind of your own like the Borg. Should you try to become other than a part of that body, you will surely die, or at the very least be tortured beyond belief until you submit.

This is all perfectly visible. We SEE and KNOW the evil they do, but the conversions continue unabated as if the world had suddenly become not only insane, but deaf, dumb, and blind as well.

Christians and Jews have fractionalized THEMSELVES. They are not blameless for the state of their existence today. They have accepted heathenism within their own ranks, so acting as if they are victims is just nonsense.

I could go on, but truly the main point is WE believed we could ‘civilize’ the uncivilized, tolerate and accept the intolerable and unacceptable, and just the opposite has happened. THEY have succeeded in DECIVILIZING us. We have aquiesced to the murders of innocents. We have accepted and tolerated the bestial and abnormal. Our Churches and Synagogues have bestowed G-d’s blessings upon abomination...which is what islam has done. MAN has done this.

The price we will pay for this is yet to be meted out. I fear it. I fear it greatly.


307 posted on 02/07/2012 10:09:01 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: SaraJohnson; Quix; All

Wow, that’s quite a post, well thought-out.


315 posted on 02/08/2012 5:05:18 AM PST by Joya (http://www.raptureready.com/)
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To: SaraJohnson

Sara...I just read your post though it was a couple or so weeks ago...about... ‘Why Westerners and Europeans are converting to islam’...and ‘why Christianity is failing Americans’....

Excellent article BTW and helps people to understand by it the very condition of our country...it really is in a bad place in every area of life.

Quite the eye opener for those who might not have read it...well worth the read...and thank you.


356 posted on 02/24/2012 5:49:50 PM PST by caww
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