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Ron Paul Can't Be Allowed To Win Iowa
Townhall.com ^ | December 24, 2011 | Matt Mackowiak

Posted on 12/24/2011 6:52:00 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

The Hawkeye State may become known as the Blackeye State. Maybe the State of Insanity.


101 posted on 12/24/2011 10:10:17 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: Kaslin
Ron Paul won't be "allowed" to win anything. He will either win it or lose it based on the turnout at the cauci.

The caucus format is kind of made for candidates like Paul because motivated followers can stack the result. There is a price to pay for voting for him, or anyone else, because you can't just walk in, vote, and leave. There is more of a time commitment.

On the other hand, voters across the nation have to be able to see this year the stakes are the Nation. Since it seems like no one in the Republican field has yet caught the wave, so to speak, any one of the candidates can be a big winner in Iowa. If someone other than Paul wins, that person won't have won becaue he or she was "allowed" to.

I'm still pulling for Bachmann. Her biggest mistake to date, if my history is any kind of indication, was to have me for a fan.

102 posted on 12/24/2011 11:30:10 AM PST by stevem
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To: MestaMachine
I doesn't make him any less a liar, him being a liar makes it easy to divert attention from what he does say that's true, and any discussion about why nobody else is saying it.

They let him be there for a reason.

103 posted on 12/24/2011 12:22:42 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Kaslin
Ron Paul Can't Be Allowed To Win Iowa

I am no fan of Paul, but the mindless arrogance of the headline writer is breathtaking.

Who is this a*****e?

In a free society, no individual or group can presume to allow or not allow a winner. Nor rigged polls, nor blowhard pundits.

The free citizen and ballot box allow.

104 posted on 12/24/2011 12:51:16 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: DugwayDuke
Second, if you go to the source of the data, you’ll find that RPaul raised approximately $12.6M of which only $65K came from those who self-identified themeselves as a member of one of the services. When you look at the geographical data, you find that none of the top 10 contribution areas have any relationship to military.

Correct, Ron Paul's top contributors are individuals, not 'bundlers' associated with the ethonal lobby, Goldman Sachs, etc. By employer, the three branches are his largest source of his donations.

Also, this data is based upon self-identification. IOW, anyone can claim to be military.

So your theory is that there a vast conspiracy amongst the individuals who contribute to Ron Paul to falsify their employment information? Got any evidence to support this? Perhaps I should introduce you to Occam and his lovely razor.

Why do you think those who self identify as active military donate overwhelmingly to Ron Paul? Why so few donations from the active military to Gingrinch or Romney?

105 posted on 12/24/2011 1:48:49 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

“Correct, Ron Paul’s top contributors are individuals, not ‘bundlers’ associated with the ethonal lobby, Goldman Sachs, etc. By employer, the three branches are his largest source of his donations.”

Wrong, open secrets lists numerous corporations, investment groups, as the next six individual contributors including a capital management firm, microsoft, boeing, Google, Overland Sheepskin, and IBM. These six contributors contributed almost exactly the same amount as those in the top three.

“So your theory is that there a vast conspiracy amongst the individuals who contribute to Ron Paul to falsify their employment information? Got any evidence to support this? Perhaps I should introduce you to Occam and his lovely razor.”

Not a vast conspiracy, there are enough RPaul supports to constitute a ‘vast’ anything. But, RPaul supports do coordinate their contributions, ie, the money bombs, etc.

“Why do you think those who self identify as active military donate overwhelmingly to Ron Paul? Why so few donations from the active military to Gingrinch or Romney?”

It hasn’t been established that these are ‘active military’. One can put any thing they want on these cards. Besides the fact that RPaul collected a measly 0.5% of his contributions from those who claimed to be military prove next to nothing.


106 posted on 12/24/2011 3:44:48 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Gunslingr3

Open Secrets, the source of this data, indicates that the ‘US Army’ contributions came from only 71 individuals. The US Army home page says there are 488,000 Army troops on active duty. Even if you assume that all individuals correctly reported their employer, then the 71 contributors account for 0.015779% of the active duty strenght of the US Army. One cannot claim with an credibility that 0.015779% are any indication that US Army troops support Ron Paul.

There is a search engine there. Feel free to plug in US Air Force, US Navy, etc. I’m sure the numbers are comparable.


107 posted on 12/24/2011 5:02:37 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: rdb3

If that is true then I could never vote for him.


108 posted on 12/24/2011 5:40:41 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Kaslin
The RINO elite is doing its damnedest to confirm the darkest of conspiracy theories.


109 posted on 12/24/2011 5:59:31 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Texas Eagle

If I recall, Ron Paul is a congressman from the state of Texas as was LBJ. Perry a governor. Glass houses and all.


110 posted on 12/24/2011 10:52:58 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; All
The author says: “Should Rep. Ron Paul, who first ran for president in 1988, win Iowa, it may be the last time the state has the honor of being the first state to hold a vote every four years.”

It's time to strip Iowa of it's "First in the Nation" Primary/Caucus status. Usually, the winner out of Iowa is never elected President anyhow. And any state who keeps Ron Paul at 20-25 percent in the polls should not be called the "Iowa Caucus", but the "Hawkey Caca".
111 posted on 12/25/2011 6:48:50 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Gunslingr3; All

Ref. your Post #42: What is the Source for your chart? Anyone can graph a chart. Who/What is your Source? I’m a disabled Vet and every Veteran I know, would NOT spit in Ron Paul’s a** if his guts were on fire.


112 posted on 12/25/2011 6:51:26 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Kaslin

This reads like lobbyists afraid of losing a major-party haven. Don’t worry, the Democrats would still love to have you folk.


113 posted on 12/25/2011 10:25:41 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: Kaslin

Haven’t you heard: Romney is the de facto nominee before the first vote is cast. People are so predictable.


114 posted on 12/25/2011 11:38:24 AM PST by Theodore R. (I'll still vote for Santorum if he is on the April 3 ballot.)
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To: Kaslin

“Not allowed” to win? So they should rig the results if he does?


115 posted on 12/25/2011 5:28:05 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Afronaut; tacticalogic
You guys nailed it.

I would think that even those here who hate Ron Paul, if they have any integrity, would be concerned about the election process and that the will of the people is not ignored.

116 posted on 01/02/2012 6:59:04 PM PST by incindiary (http://youtu.be/BkpnhCkLK-M)
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To: Gunslingr3

Thank you. Mind if I steal that? ;-)


117 posted on 01/02/2012 7:00:52 PM PST by incindiary (http://youtu.be/BkpnhCkLK-M)
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To: Kaslin
Forget Ron Paul. If Ron Paul wins Iowa, he still would not get enough of the other states to win the nomination.

Even if Virginia votes for Ron Paul to spite Romney, Romney must not be allowed to win.

Mitt Romney cannot be allowed to win -- not in Iowa, not in Virginia, not in SC, not on Super Tuesday. This communist squish scumbag must be defeated.

Other than that he's probably a swell guy.

118 posted on 01/02/2012 7:19:34 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Kaslin

Can’t wait for Dr. Paul’s speech at the convention, regardless of whether of not he is the candidate!


119 posted on 01/02/2012 7:23:23 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: incindiary

RP is put there to be a lightning rod - to attract and shunt energy harmelessly to ground, while all around him remain untouched.


120 posted on 01/02/2012 7:31:41 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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