[DJ MacWoW]

Stuart you are trying to say that because God saw you do "x" that you can't do "y" instead. Again, just because God sees it does not mean YOU didn't make the choice freely. He simply sees the choice that you made. He sees you do "x" at the moment you made the choice. He sees everything all at the same time. Your birth, your life and your death. Do you actually understand how BIG God is?

Have a good night.

[stuartcr]

Still can’t just say yes or no, huh? ok, no prob.

Of course we believe we make a choice, but how is that truly possible, when the results of that choice are known beforehand by the God that makes you?

oh well, nite

[metmom]

Do you actually understand how BIG God is? Have a good night.

Obviously not. He's just trying to rationalize away any culpability for his sin by throwing it back on God. The reasoning being that since he was *fated* to do it, God cannot hold him accountable and blame him for it and would then be unjust for sending him to hell.

Some people think that by creating what they consider a paradox, they have God in a corner and He will have to do what they say in regard to their eternity. But God is not manipulated by the puny tactics of puny men.

The only solution for our sins is forgiveness granted to us purely as an act of mercy on the part of a loving Creator. We must submit ourselves to God and let Him be God on His terms, not ours.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

All you have to do, stuart, is repent and ask God for forgiveness of your sin and to give you eternal life and He will. And if you ask Him, He will lift the blindness from your heart and mind that is leaving you deceived about Him. The truth WILL be found by anyone sincerely seeking it.

But if all you're doing is trying to game the system and avoid hell by your own manipulation of God, it's not going to work.