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Posted on 12/20/2011 6:30:01 PM PST by neverdem
Better reason to just end the war on Americans by our government.
There's no way in hell a rational, sane, small (l) libertarian could vote for Obama. From the very first time Obama's name hit the national consciousness, anyone with half a brain in his skull could peg him as a statist, and statism flies in the face of small (l) libertarianism.
However, when I see a thread like this where some FReepers are all too willing to forget the basic conservative principles about the Constitution just because they don’t like “those damned hippies”, it really saddens me.
Rights are rights, and when it comes to the big ones, like self-defense, we don’t derive them from the government, so there is no legitimate action the government can do to take them away. Any action that deprives us of such a right is by default an illegitimate use of government power. We can’t let ourselves forget that due to our subjective feelings, or we are no better than liberals.
Bravo.
Been fighting the Drug Warriors here on FR since '99, and I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Prescriptions are not required for Herbal remedies. Medical Marijuana is legal by prescription only. The FDA regulates all drugs that are "prescribed" to treat illness or disease. Only Doctors (MDs) can prescribe treatments and the whole process is regulated by the FDA. You can buy herbal remedies over the counter and on the internet.
What point were you trying to make about my argument?
Won't that kind of take the fun out of gloating for the winner? Just sayin...
Yes, but we both know that marijuana is only being prescribed in a backdoor attempt at legalization. There’s nothing to distinguish it from other things classed as “herbal remedies”, not even its psychoactive nature. If the government was being consistent, the FDA wouldn’t have any authority over it at all. That’s why your argument about it needing to be tested with the same stringency as synthetic drugs is silly.
Marijuana is prescribed because it has medically beneficial properties. "Scientists have confirmed that the cannabis plant contains active ingredients with therapeutic potential for relieving pain, controlling nausea, stimulating appetite, and decreasing ocular pressure." - http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
No argument here. Why isn't it regulated by the FDA? If it were, every single species, strand, phylum would have to go thru it's own set of trials. The means of planting, cultivating, nurturing, watering, fertilizing, harvesting, thatching, drying, sterilizing, testing, measuring, packaging, shipping and marketing would all be under tight FDA scrutiny. There would be truck loads of documentation establishing quality controls and consistencies and then validating that all those procedures were met for every .10 of an ounce that was produced and sent to market. In this way, as with all other prescribed medications, if something was bad or didn't work as it was advertised, the source of the problem could be effectively tracked, traced, corrected and liability assigned. Now, explain to me again why, if you live in California, you can grow pot (or import it) and sell it to anyone with a prescription without any medical, pharmacuetical or even sales training or experience. (I do know there is some paperwork involved). You know the reason. It's smoke and mirrors to make cannibus more accessible for the recreational user. There is no doubt it has some certain medicinal uses. But so does asprin. Indians supposedly figured some of it's potential out and chewed on bark to get the affect in the 1700s. The FDA is more concerned about asprin than cannibus? Don't be naive even if you do use. Be intellectually honest here.
No argument here. Why isn't it regulated by the FDA? [...] explain to me again why, if you live in California, you can grow pot (or import it) and sell it to anyone with a prescription without any medical, pharmacuetical or even sales training or experience.
Intrastate commerce is none of the feds' business. (As for genuinely interstate commerce in medical marijuana, since it's unpatentable it should qualify as an 'orphan drug.')
What we have now is law set up to be subverted. It is a mockery of all that is justice. The most criminal part is legislation was passed with the intended purpose of allowing people to violate it by avoiding enforcement. THAT'S THE CRIME!
What other laws should we ignore, subvert or scoff at? Gun control legislation? Immigration laws? Taxes?
Like Aspirin?
Check out #91.
I've never used and am totally apathetic about the legality. I'll teach my kids not to touch it or steroids, or cocaine etc. I care more about the principles and respect for that which our nation holds (or is suppose to) sacred, The Rule of Law. We are eroding it with ridiculous legislation all the time.
The supreme law of the land grants the federal government no authority over intrastate commerce. Whatever the right answer to CA's winking at violations of CA law may be, federal involvement ain't it.
Methamphetamine is FDA approved for the treatment of ADHD and exogenous obesity. It is dispensed in the USA under the trademark name Desoxyn.
Before you say, there is a law against producing it because it....safe...blow up...yadda, yadda, yadda...consider; In the same jurisdictions where "medicinal use of cannibus" is legal under the supervision and prescription of a doctor, it is illegal to grow marijuana for the purpose of distribution. State law, not federal law.
Any way you cut it, at the federal level or state level, the law is a joke. If you think that pot is not imported for sale and distribution in California from out of state, you are goofy. If it is being imported for consumer use, guess what. It's now interstate commerce, kinda like corn (remember the farmers). The state starts the farce. The Federal State DOJ rightfully stays out of it.
But the overspending, over-regulating FDA sticks it's nose in everything from vitamins to ecoli. Why not pot?
I appreciate the civility of this lively debate. Only intellectual conservatives can converse at this level. :o)
In case duty calls and I have to return to work, you and yours have a very Merry (herbal) Christmas. Lol.
An excellent question. That should also be the state's business.
In the same jurisdictions where "medicinal use of cannibus" is legal under the supervision and prescription of a doctor, it is illegal to grow marijuana for the purpose of distribution. State law, not federal law.
Any way you cut it, at the federal level or state level, the law is a joke.
Why is it a "joke" for a state to say substance X is legal by prescription only?
If you think that pot is not imported for sale and distribution in California from out of state
I'm sure it is - and the feds have legitimate authority over that interstate commerce. But the existence of that interstate commerce in pot gives them no constitutional authority regarding intrastate commerce in pot.
you and yours have a very Merry (herbal) Christmas.
No herb for me - but Merry Christmas to you too!
“What other laws should we ignore, subvert or scoff at? Gun control legislation? Immigration laws? Taxes?”
Well, for the first one at least, yes. Those aren’t legitimate laws. Of course, scoff at your own risk.
“Marijuana is prescribed because it has medically beneficial properties.”
Yes, sure, it has about 2 properties that are beneficial and not easily replicated by other drugs. However, the vast majority of “medical marijuana” users don’t have medical issues that require those unique properties, they just want to get high. If you believe otherwise, you’re kidding yourself.
Yes, sure, it has about 2 properties that are beneficial and not easily replicated by other drugs.
Medicine is not one size fits all. The more different medications are available for any given condition, the better.
However, the vast majority of “medical marijuana” users don’t have medical issues that require those unique properties, they just want to get high.
Why should that worry me? Anyone who wants can get a legal nonprescription buzz on at their nearest tavern.
I looked at some of your links the day you posted them, but have been off due to the holidays. I thank you for bringing my attention to that horrible scam by that vile man, and everyone in the corrupt circle who never took the time or had the inclination to check his history or care about justice enough to ensure it was being served.
Not to be preachy, but, I’d like to hope that someone like that is able to repent and come to Christ. I try and hope for that, because I know that God is forgiving, and loving beyond my ability to comprehend, and I know we’re judged by what judgement we judge. I think if it were up to me (to dole out punishments), that I would have a special place reserved for those that imprison others for personal gain. Fortunately, I’m not in charge of the hereafter, and I’m hoping that somehow, someday all those wrongs committed on those innocent will be made right. There’s nothing in this life that can make up for what was stolen from them, nor adequately repay (punish) this man, and that is terrible.
All the same, Merry Christmas, to you and yours, and may God bless you and keep you well in the upcoming New Year.
I didn’t say it should worry you. The comment wasn’t addressed to you and I don’t think you are following the conversation.
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