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To: Zionist Conspirator; wagglebee
abortion is mandatory in only a miniscule number of cases, when the child is a rodef and when ensoulment has not occurred.

And where in "G-ds Laws" do you find this idea of ensoulment?

And is there any broad consensus among Jewish scholars, orthodox, conservative, liberal, on your assertions regarding ensoulment? (There is unanimity among the orthodox Christian Churches on abortion, so I trust the orthodox Christian Churches more than your rabbinical tradition on this subject.)

76 posted on 12/20/2011 8:00:06 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
And where in "G-ds Laws" do you find this idea of ensoulment?

If I recall correctly, ensoulment takes place at different times for Jews and non-Jews. For non-Jews it takes place (I think, though I'm no expert) three months after conception. An unwarranted abortion prior to this is a great sin, though it is not murder and is not a capital offense. After this time abortion is murder and a capital offense (and I think is forbidden for any reason). For Jews ensoulment happens much later, since an unwarranted abortion is not a capital offense until after the baby's head has emerged from the birth canal. At this point the baby may not be killed for any reason. As you can imagine, all this is a very esoteric, mystical field, and I am far from being an expert. I have only the most elementary knowledge and could be wrong.

And is there any broad consensus among Jewish scholars, orthodox, conservative, liberal, on your assertions regarding ensoulment? (There is unanimity among the orthodox Christian Churches on abortion, so I trust the orthodox Christian Churches more than your rabbinical tradition on this subject.)

Only "Orthodox Judaism" is Judaism. What the other so-called "branches" have to say is of no consequence whatsoever.

Your rejection of immemorial Sinaitic Tradition is the original Protestant Revolt on which all chr*stianity is based, so I understand where you are coming from.

77 posted on 12/20/2011 8:16:53 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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