My original point was this: it's possible that the Salvation Army is going liberal, but it's also possible that the Salvation Army's position is in line with Halakhah. I don't know which. If the former, I am disgusted to hear it. If the latter, then well and good.
Different religions have different moral beliefs on various issues. Catholicism forbids divorce for any and all reasons (as I understand it). Judaism permits it (it's in the Torah), as do Protestantism and even Eastern Orthodoxy (up to a point). Similarly, the Torah permits (though it neither requires nor encourages) more than one wife at a time for a husband. Similarly the Torah (an ancient document) has laws that regulate slavery, concubinage, and even wars of extermination (these are also right there in the Biblical text). If one believes the Torah is either a mere human document (G-d forbid!) or of temporary duration (G-d forbid!) one can jettison these laws. If one, like myself, believes the Torah was actually written by G-d Himself and is eternal, then one does not have the option of saying "oh well, that was then; this is now." To believe the Torah is G-d's Ultimate Revelation is to believe these laws are eternally in force even when the circumstances they were originally given in no longer exist.
Judaism is not a pro-abortion religion; it celebrates life and fertility. But the authentic Jewish position on abortion is simply not the same as that of Catholicism. I am not responsible for this; I merely state the fact. There is absolutely no connection between the abortionism of liberal Jews and the genuine Halakhic position on abortion. Nor is the Halakhic position an elastic hole that one can drive a Mac truck through. It is in fact extremely restrictive. However, it is forbidden to add to the Torah or to subtract from it. The Halakhah is what it is, and though it agrees for the most part with the Catholic position it is not 100% identical to it. There is nothing hateful in merely stating this.
One poster pointed out that according to the Biblical text one who kills a pregnant woman is liable to the death penalty while one who causes a miscarriage is subject to a fine. This is the Biblical text. I did not write it. I have no say on how it is interpreted. It simply is what it is.
There is one and only one source of all morality: G-d. Apart from G-d nothing is right and nothing is wrong. To take a position apart from Divine legislation is to adopt a secular rationale. There is no secular rationale whatsoever for law, morality, ethics, or even why we are here. What G-d says is right is right; what G-d says is wrong is wrong. When G-d forbids one to kill one may not kill; when G-d commands one to kill one may not refrain from killing. No one can be more moral than G-d. The whole idea that G-d is a big meanie and that we are now more morally refined than His laws is the very source of liberalism (and Communism, and Randianism, and every other non-Theistic moral/ethical system).
I apologize to all who were offended or misrepresented by what I said. As I pointed out many times, I described things to the best of my limited knowledge.
Along the way I got the impression that I might be banned from this forum. I don't want to be banned from this forum and will endeavor to abide by all its rules. But I cannot change my religious beliefs or my understanding of G-d's Laws because of an Internet forum or even because of eighteenth century deists like Thomas Jefferson. My religious beliefs are very "primitive" by modern standards (even conservative ones). As I have admitted in the past I am a Theocrat and a Theonomist. I believe in a form of government that we will have in the future when Mashiach HaMelekh arrives and all mankind lives under his rule in accordance with the Laws of G-d and all false religions and false "gxds" are no more. My beliefs make me a guest on this forum and I acknowledge this and thank the Robinsons for putting up with me. It is their right to ban me (or anyone else) at any time and for any reason they choose. I will therefore endeavor to never again attempt to post what I understand to be the differences between the Catholic and authentic Jewish positions on abortion. But the differences do exist; I did not create them; and there is nothing I can do to make them go away.
I thank all FReepers for putting up with me. I know it isn't easy or fun.
My best to all FReepers at this festive season, and my prayers to G-d for our country at this crucial election cycle.
G-d help us all.
Before I became Catholic, I truly did not understand the pro-life arguments.
It was like why is abortion the most important thing? I understand now.
The right to life. It is a gift from God and we have no right to interfere.
I appreciate your honesty. You come from a whole different place but, it is not a liberal ‘kill the babies’ position.
Unlike so many Catholics in political life (who support pro-choice, otherwise know as pro-abortion) they will answer for their sins.
I came to this discussion late, and it may not be my place to say this, but I think you’re a stand up guy. Just thought I’d let you know that.