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To: AdmSmith; caww; nuconvert; TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo

You can add S. Korea’s intelligence chief to the growing list of those that don’t buy the story of Kim Jong Il’s death -

2011/12/20 20:46 KST

S. Korean intelligence chief casts doubts over time, place of Kim’s death

SEOUL, Dec. 20 (Yonhap) — The head of South Korea’s National Intelligence Service (NIS) on Tuesday expressed cautious doubts over the time and location of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il’s death, parliamentary officials said, raising questions over whether the communist North tried to beautify Kim’s death.


651 posted on 12/20/2011 4:51:20 AM PST by jhpigott (North Korea - The land of lousy options)
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To: jhpigott
Yeah, I am getting around to address that.
According to Korean languate article on the subject,
(link: http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/issues/2011/12/20/1204680000AKR20111220219251001.HTML?template=2085 )

My Summary:

For the first time, S. Korean intelligence raise doubts about the official N. Korean version of Kim Jong-il’s death. They have data on the movement of his train, and the data show that his train was at Ryongsung Station in Pyongyang, not moving around at the time of death, the story given in the official N. Korean announcement. So if he is indeed on the train and died at the time they said he did, he was at the station.

Kim Jong-il’s last public event was on Dec. 15, and there was no movement of him on Dec. 16.

In short, N. Korean story does not fit.

This came out during the briefing at Intelligence Committe of S. Korean National Assembly on Dec. 20.

652 posted on 12/20/2011 4:58:56 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: jhpigott
Yes, I suspect they made it up, about when and where Yura (Kim) died. I suspect it was in a hospital in Pyongyang, but they just placed him on a train somewhere heroically working for the people Saturday morning. Another mysterious, mystical North Korean Myth. A country of myths and rewritten history. It's bullshit. Just alike all these crying scenes where the people are clearly over acting and not crying naturally.

But there has also been the long rumor even in a Western Parliamentary Democracy like Japan that officials lied over a top death-- in the case of Emperor Hirohito, it is suspected he died right around New Years eve, or a little before, but that would totally throw out of whack the entire Japanese bureaucracy, government and Imperial Household agency who were out on vacation, so the rumor is they kept the death quiet, kept him on ice, and then suddenly announced the morning of January 4th 1989, that Emperor Hirohito had died, so that all persons were back to their posts in Tokyo to do the massive planning for succession, funeral, acceptance of many overseas VIPs, etc.

655 posted on 12/20/2011 6:34:00 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Many attempts were made over the years to kill Kim Jong il. This one may finally have succeeded.)
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To: jhpigott
You can add S. Korea’s intelligence chief to the growing list of those that don’t buy the story of Kim Jong Il’s death

Doubts this is just another "story" to further keep the people 'in the dark' about everything and everyone in their country is par for the course in N.Korea as we know. Nothing is believable when it comes from the leadership, it's all propaganda to keep the people in submission.

Here's a couple of excerts..fear rules over the people even in their mourning:

"The source said people were afraid in case they did not show enough zealotry in their mourning,..... recalling punishments meted out to some after Kim ll Sung's death 17 years ago. ......"There are armed soldiers on the street every four metres (yards)... military and intelligence officers are on guard everywhere," it quoted a source in the northeastern city of Musan as saying.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.dc174d876c76cc1b32e809185eb09d1b.251&show_article=1

Two-day state funeral is to begin at the Kamsusan Memorial Palace on Dec. 28. North Korean officials say they will not invite foreign delegations and will allow no entertainment during the mourning period......an 11-day period of official mourning, flags were flown at half-staff at all military units, factories, businesses, farms and public buildings.... The streets of Pyongyang were quiet, but throngs of people gathered at landmarks honoring Kim.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111220/D9RO8FD80.html

669 posted on 12/20/2011 8:35:05 AM PST by caww
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