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To: TigerLikesRooster
Tiger, do you accept the account that he kicked the bucket on a train working so "hard for the service of the people that his heart gave out"? I mean, shit, if they lied about the circumstances of his birth and location (it was actually in Russia and he was known as "Yura" as a kid, not born anywhere near the myth they have created), why would they not lie about the location, time and circumstances of his demise? What I am getting at is, like Rahm Emmanuel, never let a crisis go to waste, and they could have theoretically put him on that phantom train in the process of vigorous duties on behalf of the People, Party and Army, when the fact is the matter if the Chia Pet was not outright "offed", he could have just as easily demised in a comfy Pyongyang Hospital with all the accountrements including foreign doctors sworn to secrecy, such as in the Pyongyang Red Cross hotel or perhaps in his bunker or at a personal villa. The DPRK Lying Machine, like producing a meeting, could have merely placed him figuratively speaking on the g-damned official train. My take. Yours? Maybe when the whole place collapses, or we get some high level defectors, we will truly know how he died and where. That is why we now read reports of scurrying activity of an emergency of some sort on the PREVIOUS DAY, Friday, December 16th in Pyongyang, according to rumors filtering out, that shows something was up with his health and it might not have been as sudden nor dramatic as they make it out to be. What is sure is they will lie through their frikkin teeth and make anything up (like these Japanese abductees who are still alive up there, but whom they said died in accidents or suicides years ago)...... This is a different animal up there, they dont play by normal rules of humanity and honesty.
557 posted on 12/19/2011 5:24:16 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Many attempts were made over the years to kill Kim Jong il. This one may finally have succeeded.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster

Considering that he only would spend a very small proportion of his year on any trains or inspection tours (I’m guessing this), it’s far more likely he died in his residence or in a hospital room.

Of course, since he was in such serious ill health any attempt at a train ride or inspection tour might have been the added stress that brought a cardiac crisis.

Still, I’m guessing the train thing is a propaganda fabrication to make him sound active and energetic in service to the cause to the last moment..... bc otherwise ppl might become more aware that he spent his days and nights in a cesspool of luxury and sensuality and depravity.


582 posted on 12/19/2011 7:26:35 PM PST by Enchante
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