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criminal background check by the police..same ones that do all the background checks. Newts plan neither affirms a guaranteed legal citizenship nor amnesty. His plan is clear. Gingrich opposed the Bush plan which I supported and believe we would not be in the mess we are in today had it passed. As for fraud it has been committed for eons...it is a beginning. We have always had visas and people from all over the work go to school here and work here as WE do in other nations around the globe. At least his program will bring some out of the closet. I KNOW the cost to round up and deport illegals and it is astronomical...you going to bus them out or fly them out? bill the nations they came from? and if you read Newts plan...he is for immediate deportation of criminal/terrorist illegals. A lot of this is intertwined with Homeland Security which is another topic


55 posted on 12/12/2011 12:07:12 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
criminal background check by the police..same ones that do all the background checks.

You don't seem to understand what checks are done on intending immigrants. There are more than police checks and some are done in the country of origin. If you had taken the time to look at the link I provided by Kris Kobach you may understand the national security risks involved with giving some of these people "clean skins." I have actually issued immigrant visas.

Newts plan neither affirms a guaranteed legal citizenship nor amnesty.

Please don't insult my intelligence and say that Newt's plan is not an amnesty. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Changing the meaning of words does not change the facts. Any legislation that allows the illegal aliens to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty.

Gingrich opposed the Bush plan which I supported and believe we would not be in the mess we are in today had it passed.

Bush supported an amnesty, which would have destroyed this country with the stroke of a pen. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty alone would be $2.6 trillion. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens.

Have you ever read the 2006 Hagel-Martinez or the 2007 McCain-Kennedy amnesty bills? Bush supported both. You are no conservative if you supported those bills. Newt supported the 1986 amnesty, which Rd Meese calls a mistake by Reagan.

Amnesty Will Cost U.S. Taxpayers at Least $2.6 TrillionBy Robert Rector, The Heritage Foundation

We have always had visas and people from all over the work go to school here and work here as WE do in other nations around the globe. At least his program will bring some out of the closet

Visas are the legal way to get here. You don't violate our laws and national sovereignty by sneaking into the country illegally. No country on earth tolerates that.

I KNOW the cost to round up and deport illegals and it is astronomical...you going to bus them out or fly them out?

You are creating a phony strawman. The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, and Arizona proving that it does.

Illegal aliens cost this country over a $100 billion a year. They take jobs from Americans and depress wages. They have killed over 50,000 Americans since 9/11 and injured hundreds of thousands more. And they are changing the demographics of this country, which will have the electoral impact of making the Dems the permanent majority party.

and if you read Newts plan...he is for immediate deportation of criminal/terrorist illegals. A lot of this is intertwined with Homeland Security which is another topic

How is Newt going to deport them? There are over 2 million of them. Newt's "plan" is pure sophistry. You are defending the indefensible. I guess if you supported the Bush amnesty, you would support Newt's including his "robust guest worker program" at a time when 25 million Americans are looking for fulltime employment.

56 posted on 12/12/2011 1:52:26 PM PST by kabar
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