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Newt Gingrich - RINO or Genuine Pro-Life Reagan Conservative?
vanity | December 9, 2011 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 12/09/2011 1:31:59 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

Perfectly stated Case Jim.

I just joined Newt’s effort here in Iowa.

For almost exactly the reasons you just stated. And if you’d have asked me 6 months ago? I would have said NEVER. I too, was with the Organize for Palin effort and prayed she would run. But, you are correct, we MUST stop Romney and we MUST beat Obama.

Go Newt.


181 posted on 12/09/2011 5:35:05 PM PST by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: Brookhaven
That generated a lot of bad-will from more “seasoned” Republicans that were more worried about retaining their seats than getting things done.

Yes, and those seats were going to be lost to DEMOCRATS, not to more conservative Republicans.

Far more than the impact on any one congresscritter's seat was the conclusion (right or wrong) that Gingrich was wrecking the gains the party had made as a whole. There were actually some Republicans who were actually concerned about maintaining a majority, if at all possible, not just with their own political fate.

This distinction, I think, is at the heart of what is being bandied about as the recent "targeting of Newt by the elites" meme.

So many (including Rush, who made me mad for the first time in 20 years yesterday) *automatically, reflexively* spout the imbecilic psychoanalysis that people who disagree with or don't support a candidate take that stance soley because they "fear" the candidate.

Please. Plenty of people in the GOP "elite" hate Gingrich because they think he's a jerk, a poor leader, someone who betrayed them by being an undisciplined jerk and poor leader after they'd finally gotten a majority, and whom they think might possibly be a trainwreck again.

Sometimes people hate someone for a legitimate reason (whether or not you or I agree with it).

Look, Gingrich was leader of a bunch of politicians, right? If he had been able to convince them that under his leadership they would be able to maintain their majority status, regardless if some seats were turned over to more conservative Republicans (NOT Dems), they would have continued to support him.

They have no problem saying to the guy who can't win against ANOTHER REPUBLICAN, sorry, pal, it sucks to be you.

But Gingrich was (in their view) losing the party seats and, therefore, he had to go.

182 posted on 12/09/2011 5:35:24 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: RedMDer
I completely agree. Gingrich is the best candidate that we have to defeat the Plastic Headed Mittens in the primaries and Dumplin’ Ears in the general. My Better Half and I were discussing tonight how Reagan, H.W. and Newt finished the job of imploding the Soviet Union.

Yep, he was there for that, too!

I cooked a wonderful fish dinner for my wonderful husband tonight, and the thanks I got was sitting down in front of the TV with him to watch BOR!

BOR is completely in the tank for Romney! Argued for Romney against Michael Reagan and another lady who were clearly for Newt Gingrich as the better candidate to oppose the Marxist.

I was so mad, I shot off an email under another name because he's tired of receiving mine. He used to sometimes read mine on the air. I hope he reads this one. It was pithy.

183 posted on 12/09/2011 5:36:58 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Leto
Just curious can you cite anything Bachmann has actually done, not just talked about but accomplished?

She's held firm to her principles and hasn't been corrupted like the "successful" politicians who have a record of success. The democrats tried that same game with my congressman and he pointed out that in Nancy Pelosi's house, nothing good got done.

Maybe you would be happier if she had supported TARP or something.
184 posted on 12/09/2011 5:38:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: JoeProBono

WOO-Hoo!

That’s one heck of great picture, JPB!!!!

Thank you very, very much!

Gingrich always seems to need a haircut....LOL.


185 posted on 12/09/2011 5:41:06 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

A Reagan conservative would not have been, for money, fishing for a way to keep Fannie and Freddie not only alive, but thriving at a time when their operations had and were destroying the economy of this nation and, to a large extent, the world.

No one who has ever believed, even for a second, that the “era of big government is over” — or even SHOULD be over — would have gone there.

Imagine how different things would be today if the Republicans had overcome the opposition of Newt and the Dems and actually straightjacketed Fannie and Freddie in 2005. We might not have had TARP or any of the bailouts. And we might not have President Barack Obama.

Words have meaning and so do deeds. And Newt has some very stinky deeds that he should be held accountable for.

Do you remember when Speaker Newt proposed buying a laptop for every school kid in America? Back when laptops cost around $5,000 each? The bullcrap just shoots out of his mouth and always has.

Doesn’t mean he can’t, won’t or shouldn’t,, under all the circumstances, be the nominee. But I would never in a million years say he has the track record of a Reagan Republican.


186 posted on 12/09/2011 5:42:37 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Jim Robinson

Doesn’t sound the Gingrich I remember and I’ve been voting for conservatives since Nixon the first time around. We apparently have different recollections.


187 posted on 12/09/2011 5:42:48 PM PST by Ron H. (Be ready and look to the heavens for He is surely coming back, soon!)
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To: cripplecreek

I’d feel somewhat better about it if I thought that a lot of conservatives were not going to have their socks shocked off.

Of course, during the campaign, it will likely be dismissed as “he’s just saying that to get elected, once in the White House, good old conservative Newt will be back.”

Man, does that sound familiar.

Anyway, I hope I’m wrong because it sure looks like conservatives are going to be a cheap date for old Newt.


188 posted on 12/09/2011 5:45:25 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: fightinJAG

During the Huckabee forum he said he would eliminate the EPA....and replace it with an environmental solutions agency. His solutions always tend to be government solutions when Americans need less government.


189 posted on 12/09/2011 5:46:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Southnsoul
Really??? That is one very superficial list of "negatives."

"1979 Voted to create the Department of Education, under President Jimmy Carter"

The Dept of Ed. for which Newt voted was not the huge bureaucratic nightmare that it has since become. It was primarily charged with oversight and raising standards of education in America. Much has occurred since then and much has been added.

"1990 Becomes member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)"OMG! Never say it! LOL! Somebody call Lew Rockwell! We must burn Newt at the stake. /rolleyes Not the old BilderbergBrettonWoodsNewWorldOrderCouncilonForeignRelationsFreeMasonsIlluminatiPrincePhilipRothschildsSkullandBonesBritishMonarchyBohemianGroveTri-LateralCommission argument.

"1995 The liberal establishment Time Magazine names Newt Gingrich their 'Man of the Year'"

Your not serious. You can't be. You do know that other men of the year have been Sir Winston Churchill,Dwight Eisenhower (twice), Richard Nixon (twice), the Apollo 8 Astronauts, Ronald Reagan (twice), GWH Bush, GW Bush, and The American Soldier--truly a rogues gallery if ever I've seen one. Another eye-roller.

Your screed is a pathetic superficial list of some fact, many half-truths, out of context examples and implied guilt by association, something I would expect to find on Alex Jones or Lew Rockwell's, or Michael Rivera's conspiracy websites.

Please, we (most of us, at least) are all adults here. We don't believe in fantasies and we don't by conspiracy theories, thank you very much.
190 posted on 12/09/2011 5:47:30 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Waywardson
I was in Indianola on September 2-3.

I met lots of O4P and Tea Party people.

I'm with you.

I'm in contact with Tea Party Charlie.

191 posted on 12/09/2011 5:48:51 PM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Jim Robinson
And he’s not pretending.

He doesn't have to be pretending he's a conservative to have a problem staying on track with conservatism.

He just has a problem staying on track with conservatism.

It could be because of his worldview or his ideology, or it could be because he's an undisciplined person, an egomaniac or a difficult boss. Or a million other reasons.

It doesn't matter why.

192 posted on 12/09/2011 5:49:44 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Jim Robinson

Janine Turner made a very valid point of contrast between Mitt or Newt vs Obama. Mitt not so much. Newt has a stark contrast and she stated “That is what the voters want”. I agreed with the assessment she arrived at. She is smart and easy on the eyes to boot.


193 posted on 12/09/2011 5:52:40 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Brookhaven

Well said and spot on!


194 posted on 12/09/2011 5:53:28 PM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: onyx
I hope he reads this one. It was pithy. ROFLOL!

I can't stand to watch BOR anymore. Watching Coast Guard Alaska instead! :)

195 posted on 12/09/2011 5:53:41 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Ron H.

Quite possible, so I went back and rechecked the actual record to refresh my recollections.


196 posted on 12/09/2011 5:54:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
What say you?

I say that the ascendancy of Newt in the GOP race represents the triumph of substance over style.

And I say I like it.

197 posted on 12/09/2011 5:55:41 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: fightinJAG

So wrong in so many ways. Fannie and Freddie are PRIVATE CORPORATIONS funded by private funds. Tax-payer money doesn’t enter into it. Wow! Do you even bother to do any research, or do you just parrot what you read on some other candidate’s website?


198 posted on 12/09/2011 5:58:29 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I believe that it is going to prove to be academic as I personally don't think Newt will make it out of the primaries. I could be wrong and I respect you for having your opinion. If Bachmann is still in the running I will vote for her or better yet if Palin can be resurrected then she will get my support.

If and that's a big IF Newt should somehow become the nominee to run against Obama then I'll give Newt another LONG HARD look. I'll also be looking at who is running on any third party ticket as well. I'm not of those that must win at ANY cost, I am the type that votes for the one I believe to be the most qualified no matter what party they hail from or what their chances are. I'm through with voting for the least evil one and have been since 1996.

199 posted on 12/09/2011 6:02:33 PM PST by Ron H. (Be ready and look to the heavens for He is surely coming back, soon!)
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To: Waywardson

Sheesh.


200 posted on 12/09/2011 6:04:00 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican Party is retrograde. And that is not a compliment.)
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