To: I-ambush
The bigger point here is that Newt is actually dissecting the issue. His critical analysis actually impresses me and frankly I would have to agree with him. You can have a zygote with all of its unique human traits, but until implantation occurs, the chances of that zygote maturing into a human being is about 20-30% if I am not mistaken. Once implanted, there is greater than a 50% chance of maturation into a human being. While this has no implication on the abortion issue(nobody gets an abortion before implantation), it does show the man actually is a critical thinker.
To: TortReformer
You can have a zygote with all of its unique human traits, but until implantation occurs, the chances of that zygote maturing into a human being is about 20-30% if I am not mistaken.
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You are correct. There is only about 25 to 30 percent chance that the zygote will actually implant.
16 posted on
12/02/2011 10:35:57 AM PST by
kara37
To: jpsb; TortReformer
jpsb wrote:
Life begins at conception, pregnancy begins at implantation.
EXACTLY. You can have a zygote with all of its unique human traits, but until implantation occurs, the chances of that zygote maturing into a human being is about 20-30% if I am not mistaken.
Correction: the chances of that human zygote maturing into a NEW-BORN human being might be in the probability range that you cite; he/she is ALREADY a human being, by virtue of membership in the species. Are you assuming that "birth = beginning of human personhood"?
Once implanted, there is greater than a 50% chance of maturation into a human being.
See above; a living human zygote is ALREADY a "human being"; it doesn't "gradually develop into a human being" (which is nonsense, anyway).
While this has no implication on the abortion issue(nobody gets an abortion before implantation),
That may be a matter of mere semantics: it's beyond question that living human beings die by human choice, both before and after implantation (and also before and after extra-womb viability, birth, etc.)... which is the main problem with abortion in the first place.
it does show the man actually is a critical thinker.
That may be true, to a limited extent, on this issue; but since he has joined the Catholic Church, he has an obligation to inform his conscience using Catholic teaching (among which is the fact that human life begins at--and must be defended unequivocally at and after--conception. He is not morally free to choose his own stance on the matter, while still professing to be a faithful Catholic. He must jettison either one or the other.
17 posted on
12/02/2011 10:41:20 AM PST by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: jpsb; TortReformer
jpsb wrote:
Life begins at conception, pregnancy begins at implantation.
EXACTLY.
You can have a zygote with all of its unique human traits, but until implantation occurs, the chances of that zygote maturing into a human being is about 20-30% if I am not mistaken.
Correction: the chances of that human zygote maturing into a NEW-BORN human being might be in the probability range that you cite; he/she is ALREADY a human being, by virtue of membership in the species. Are you assuming that "birth = beginning of human personhood"?
Once implanted, there is greater than a 50% chance of maturation into a human being.
See above; a living human zygote is ALREADY a "human being"; it doesn't "gradually develop into a human being" (which is nonsense, anyway).
While this has no implication on the abortion issue(nobody gets an abortion before implantation),
That may be a matter of mere semantics: it's beyond question that living human beings die by human choice, both before and after implantation (and also before and after extra-womb viability, birth, etc.)... which is the main problem with abortion in the first place.
it does show the man actually is a critical thinker.
That may be true, to a limited extent, on this issue; but since he has joined the Catholic Church, he has an obligation to inform his conscience using Catholic teaching (among which is the fact that human life begins at--and must be defended unequivocally at and after--conception. He is not morally free to choose his own stance on the matter, while still professing to be a faithful Catholic. He must jettison either one or the other.
18 posted on
12/02/2011 10:41:42 AM PST by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: TortReformer
nobody gets an abortion before implantationNot accurate.
People take drugs specifically to prevent the newly-conceived baby from implanting, thus aborting that baby.
46 posted on
12/02/2011 12:36:46 PM PST by
DNA.2012
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