Posted on 12/01/2011 1:58:15 PM PST by smoothsailing
I've been on the "Cain Train" for awhile now, I really like the guy and want to believe him but statements like his wife "didn't know" I have a real problem with.
The situation may be exactly as Herman Cain says it is (friendship, not sexual) the fact he kept this "friendship" from his wife and gave this woman money many times is troubling.
It's the lack of judgement part here that I have the most difficulty with.
What is disturbing in this thread is the high level of pretension and holier than thou posturing of these people who are attacking Cain.
Of course you’re done ... you can’t grasp the difference between a person who, on the one hand, has had a long, successful, 40+ year career, maintained a sterling reputation throughout that 40+year career, and who then chooses to pursue a career of elective public service, and a person who, on the other hand, is unknown, and has built neither a sterling career or reputation. They’re so easily confused. Be on your way.
Sorry.... I guess I feel that unless something can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, then it is just hearsay! I hate the guilty until proven innocent mentality!
I didn’t mean to blow up on you! :)
Thank you. Obviously, I’m taking it from some who seem to disagree, which is their right. I trust my husband with my life. He may make me crazy from time to time (and I him) but we both knew fully well WHO we were marrying, and why.
I think Gloria Cain understands her husband as well. Tho, because they are in the spotlight, it has to be very, very hard on her and their family to be reading this stuff. Glad I’m not there.
And people wonder why folks don’t want to run for office? Why candidates choose not to run for the sake of their families? Why we have a ‘lacking’ cast of candidates? God bless those who are willing to put themselves in that position. I know I couldn’t handle it.
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Both parties need to fully check out and vet any person that wants to declare themselves as a candidate
This for any seat in Congress - or in the elected or appointed offices in the administration
But with Congress and the President passing laws that exempt themselves from a insider trading or prosecution for exempting themselves from laws they write and pass that the public is subject to - that is never going to happen
The media is now a full lobbyist and campaigner for the democrats
I need a waiver.....
It is time to explore the wonderful world of the underground economy
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My main thing with Ginger White is he should have been more keen to a set up...
There are more problems with this guy. I am surprised they haven’t come out yet, but if he stays in, I imagine they just might.
Respectfully, here’s something for you to consider: a guy who will cheat on his wife will think nothing of cheating on the voters who elected him.
Character matters.
But newt and Barack have allegedly cheated as well. At some point it all becomes moot. No allegations of Romney cheating.
Well, the ‘vetting out’ is what’s going on now, and it isn’t going in a happy direction for many.
Cain does so much talking that he digs himself into bigger messups. Hannity had to correct him earlier tonight when he followed one of his comments with “and I’m guilty” twice. Hannity said, ‘you mean you are guilty of not telling your wife, right?’ Cain said “yes”.
Otherwise people could have misconstrued that!
However, respectfully, if I thought Cain's philosophies about the economy, national defense, abortion, illegal immigration, entitlement programs, and so forth were DIFFERENT from mine, then I might be worried about him cheating on the voters.
But since his philosophies are the same as mine on the issues that matter to me, I am not worried about him cheating on the voters in those areas. As a voter, I'm not entering into a monogamous relationship with him, I'm entering into a contract for him to execute the duties of the President of the United States.
If he were a proven issues flip-flopper like Romney, then I would DEFINITELY care about his “commitment” issues and whether he would “cheat on the voters who elected him.
I really do agree with you, and character does matter. But since we do NOT have a perfect candidate to elect, we have to choose from what we are given. If we had a morally upstanding person standing up there who was wrong on the issues, that wouldn't make me vote for them. I care about the issues, not what he does in or out of his own bedroom.
But regardless of alllllll of that, Cain hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet. Does he not deserve a chance to defend himself here? It's been 2 or 3 (?) days. I'm willing to give Lin Wood a chance to do his job. I'm willing to give Mrs. Cain and Mr. Cain a chance to talk this through. And if Mrs. Cain stands behind him, then I think those of us who want to defeat Obama should also stand behind him.
I still believe Cain is our best shot at beating Obama. But more importantly, for the long term, Cain is a game-changer for the entire Democrat Party, because the monopoly on the Black Vote will be over. And that will change the future of this Country for decades.
>> But since his philosophies are the same as mine on the issues that matter to me, I am not worried about him cheating on the voters in those areas.
I see your point, and it’s valid in theory. But I disagree with your premise that a politican can be true to his political principles while handling his love life with situational ethics.
“Faithful in little, faithful in much” (IMHO). I don’t believe men operate reliably under situational ethics. You either have integrity, or you do not. Therefore I have no faith that Herman Cain would uphold his vows to the nation regarding the “issues that matter to me” any more than he upheld his marriage vows to his wife.
I realize that this is not “proof” — it’s merely my judgment. However I will cast my vote informed by my judgment.
FRegards
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Like Rush said about Newt's statements: "Less is More." Voters in primaries will not be as forgiving as many on FR are And Axelrod & Co. are taking notes and writing campaign ads to shred any and all Republican candidates |
Good question. 13 years is a long time for just a regular fling with a twenty-something bimbo. Remember, none of us really know Cain since he has never held public office.
[Voters in primaries will not be as forgiving as many on FR are ]
We’re just one little pocket of the web. Some have told me ‘you don’t realize ‘so and so’s’ vast popularity’ and I’ve told them ‘so and so’ isn’t popular where I live. It’s obvious that many don’t read on other sites.
The vast majority of Americans go about their daily business and don’t talk about who they will vote for.
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What is selling right now with the ignorant voters is the bogus “paycheck deduction holiday” that is “already paid for with a small millionaire’s tax”
People do not listen to or want to hear Newt and his latest “57 Varieties of Sure-Fire Solutions” BS
They bought “Hope & Change” in ‘08
- after all - Idiot John McCain said Hussein Junior could be trusted
They will not listen to Ryan or 9-9-9
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His wife and daughters are impressive - he should have stayed emotionally true to them...
[bogus “paycheck deduction holiday”]
I’m not well informed about that topic. I’ve been too engrossed in candidate threads. Little on Perry today. It will be strange to end up with Newt after two years of talking about the most ‘pure’ candidates.
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Newt has no shot at winning the primaries
The polls so far - are all BS
In 2004 I was proven correct when I said those interested should take the difference between Kerry & GS Bush - split the difference - and add that half to each candidate
The LS Times in 2004 was giving Kerry a 17 point lead - and we all know how that turned out
Right now Hussein Junior is well below Jimmuh Cahtah’s lowest numbers
Axelrod and Junior are panicking bigtime - but they can - and - they will do anything - once again - in November 2012
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[but they can - and - they will do anything - once again - in November 2012]
I believe it and pray we’re prepared. I only see polls that they show on Fox News and it does show Newt way up there. What surprises me is that Obama’s polling always looks so good too! I really don’t trust polls.
Heading off for bed devolve, enjoyed it and still laughing at the Amazon business, lol.
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