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To: calex59; All
Horse sh**! ...This way leads only to more illegals swarming over the border in the hopes they will become "long term illegals with families".

Horse sh**! back atcha!

The FIRST POINT in Newt's immigration plan has AWLAYS been 'CLOSE THE BORDER' Really close it. Then work on the rest, point by point.

In the meantime, the other candidates push out their sound-good talking points, skewed to get votes.

But here's an idea" Why don't YOU and they - and you insist that they - (the other candidates,) give us a detailed plan of just how you are going to round up 12+ million illegals and deport them? Indeed, how do you even find them?

There is no such plan because it can't be done.

So, we take the situation that is and work from there. Newt has a plan to get a handle on who they and are and HOW TO KEEP TRACK of them - by taking it out of the gov'ts hands and giving the task to people who know how to keep track of things.

Nair-do-wells, recent crossovers, criminals are deported FAST, no catch and release 'on their word they'll go home.

Those who are otherwise law abiding, hard working, long time in country, raising responsible families can stay as long as they stay thus - BUT - will NOT get citizenship nor can they vote. And that can be verified with the tracking program Newt would put in place.

Also, he would crack down on employers who look the other way. They would be, finally, held accountable.

With Newt's plan, we would indeed see "to more illegals swarming over the border" - the OTHER WAY.

One by one, as Newt's plan got implemented, a new wave of illegals would be getting outta dodge. Look how many picked up and skedaddles outta Doge (Arizona) when they announced the intention to check people for citizenship whenever someone was pulled over for a traffic violation.

You are either woefully or deliberately uninformed - I'm guessing Newt isn't your horse in the race, to begin with. Whyn't you tell us YOUR horse's plan - detailed, step by step plan?

The difference between Newt and the others is the he - I think naively - trusts the American people to be able to think.

I guess Rush was right, Wolf and gang huddled for days before the debate trying to find a strategy to trip Newt up - including practicing how they thought he might answer a certain question - and the, in the 30-60 seconds where He could only scratch the surface, they could "get a gotcha" - and their accomplices , most notably Bachman, would grab it and run with it - as would the media. (She already had her people getting the word out before they were even out of the building. And she KNOWS the truth. She's attacked EVERY other candidate, one by one - oh, except Romney. Hmmm - playing shill in return for VP or other big slot? (She's starting to hiss)

Unlike Newt, they know the American Sheeple will mostly believe what ever talking point they're fed.

It works - even in Free Republic. How many of you actually do a search on what Newt's stance really is on programs? How many even have bothered to go to Newt.org and read his plans. Unlike any other candidates links, his is detailed and precise...not just throw away promises.

Myself, I'm hoping - probably against hope - that at least more FR's and conservatives will do their homework ( and just listening to media printed words and hype is not due diligence - that's an F" grade.)

114 posted on 11/25/2011 9:36:11 AM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: maine-iac7

And you trust Newt to close the border ? Really ? I remember open borders Newt from 1994....you might want to look at what he did when he had a chance to fix the immigration mess in the 90s.


133 posted on 11/25/2011 9:57:32 AM PST by LongWayHome
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To: maine-iac7
Myself, I'm hoping - probably against hope - that at least more FR's and conservatives will do their homework ( and just listening to media printed words and hype is not due diligence - that's an F" grade.)

Part of homework should include Newt's past actual record on this issue. Are you aware that when E-verify was passed back in the '90s, Newt worked against it (including an amendment that would have made it toothless)?

Newt lost in his attempt to keep E-verify from passing, but he took care of that by putting up another bill afterward to make E-verify NON-MANDATORY.

IOW anybody who wants to hire illegals can and have been doing so since the '90s. Imagine how many fewer illegals we would have now if E-verify had been in effect AND MANDATORY since the '90s.

Except for this, I have loved watching and listening to Newt in the debates, but because of his track record I always thought, "If only we could trust him".

I don't. I will however vote for him if he makes it to the nomination, though I think it's less likely now.

155 posted on 11/25/2011 10:25:50 AM PST by Sal (WEASEL WORDS: A path to non-deportation. Let's keep US citizens out of work in favor of illegals.)
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To: maine-iac7
But here's an idea" Why don't YOU and they - and you insist that they - (the other candidates,) give us a detailed plan of just how you are going to round up 12+ million illegals and deport them? Indeed, how do you even find them?
There is no such plan because it can't be done.

That's an opinion, not a fact. A weasel one at that.

Taking the population in the early 50's and now, the technological tools available now that were not available then, the FACTS articulated in post #150 can and should be repeated.

Strange, that a third world country like Mexico can deport ALL their illegal aliens TODAY, but the USA cannot.

Uh huh.

186 posted on 11/25/2011 12:49:37 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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