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To: OneWingedShark

[ That sentiment makes me VERY uncomfortable; if the government is able to “question” (read: “possibly revoke”) your citizenship then ALL rights secured to the citizen by the Constitution are not rights, but privileges granted by the state. ]

There is a lot to be uncomfortable about when a republic is made to morph a democracy.. especially this unique kind republic we have.. maybe had..

This republic was not setup to be run by Mob Rule by mobsters.. when illegal aliens can “vote” as if they were citizens.. and legal aliens are looked on as citizens.. when they are NOT..

I’m not sure Americans even know what a citizen is anymore.. Its easy to revoke or instate citizenship in a system where the very word means nothing.. And after invoked or revoked what you have is nebulous..

I suggest you remove yourself from you’re PollyAnna state and look at reality.. What a citizen is in the United States now is on a sliding scale.. As is many other words... like say...... treason.. sedition.. Trojan Horse.. They don’t mean what they used to mean... anymore..


37 posted on 11/24/2011 9:30:02 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe

>I suggest you remove yourself from you’re PollyAnna state and look at reality..

I actually am looking at reality.

You yourself said “This republic was not setup to be run by Mob Rule by mobsters” and yet we have the [legally] Untouchable Caste: just look at the Fast & Furious incident (which, make no mistake, was an unauthorized act of war against a foreign state AND an instance of “state sponsored terrorism”) and tell me can you say with any amount of certainty that those responsible will pay anything even closely resembling severity of the crimes committed?

...but what else is it when the powerful [majority] can whimsically violate the rights of the weak (minority)?

Go back and reread my post with that previous sentence/fragment’s sentiment in mind; what is more of a minority than the individual?

>What a citizen is in the United States now is on a sliding scale..

I blame much of this on the underhanded way that the Second Class Citizen caste (felons) was created; because people let this abominable and unjust practice come into vogue we are now reaping the results by the state’s ever broadening of what constitutes a felony. (In 2014, IIRC, ObamaCare comes into force and if there is a lapse in your health insurance coverage, guess what, you’re a felon!)

>As is many other words... like say...... treason.. sedition.. Trojan Horse.. They don’t mean what they used to mean... anymore..

That’s probably only a third of the problem; two-thirds is the “that [the law] doesn’t apply to me!” attitude that many government officials have.


39 posted on 11/24/2011 9:47:46 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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