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To: ken5050
I think Newt is not as big of a liar as most of them, and his mouth gets him in trouble.

The question of deporting illegals with long residence and US-born families is, as a political question, resolved. It will never happen, for reasons both good (we are a kind people) and bad (business likes illegals).

I am a Newt supporter, and it aggravates me to see him slammed for this, because the intense border control supporters have lost election after election after election, even in the districts which should be most favorable to their cause.

THERE IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A MAJORITY FOR DEPORTATION OF MOST ILLEGALS.

I think, on the whole, that this is a bad thing, because it is a symptom of weakness in our culture - but just because I think that doesn't mean we should nominate a man certain to lose because of a pro-deportation stance.

A position to the right of Obama on this question can attract majority support.

A position favoring deporting the pool boy and the maid, together with their US citizen children, is a certain loser, and this has been demonstrated in elections in California, Arizona, Colorado, etc, and it has been demonstrated many times over many years.

26 posted on 11/23/2011 5:43:07 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Jim Noble

>> THERE IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A MAJORITY FOR DEPORTATION OF MOST ILLEGALS.
A position to the right of Obama on this question can attract majority support.
A position favoring deporting the pool boy and the maid, together with their US citizen children, is a certain loser, and this has been demonstrated in elections in California, Arizona, Colorado, etc, and it has been demonstrated many times over many years. >>

You are right on that - which means the only issue is what do we do with the border. Next are the entitlements the illegals receive. Then there’s the criminal activity, and those should be deported. If we fixed those 3 issues, 98% of the problems would be gone.

And all the candidates know that. None of them will even think of starting a deportation campaign. Illegal immigration, hate to break it to you, is merely a misdemeanor. We may not like that, but that is the law.

This problem is where it is due to 50 years of a weak border and an awful Mexican economy. Fix the border, and it will unwind itself over maybe ten years and will do so without much cost.


32 posted on 11/23/2011 5:50:32 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: Jim Noble
THERE IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A MAJORITY FOR DEPORTATION OF MOST ILLEGALS.

Then I suggest you quit all advocacy for conservative causes and resign yourself to living in a Chavez-style Soviet America, because Third World immigration (legal and otherwise) will produce an ironclad pro-socialist majority in this country, as it has already done in California.

53 posted on 11/23/2011 6:01:39 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Jim Noble
THERE IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A MAJORITY FOR DEPORTATION OF MOST ILLEGALS.

Whether there is a majority or not - it will NEVER happen. Mitt and MB are blowing their 'righteous attitude' from out their butts and they know it. It shows how deceitful they are - speaking 'the conservative talk' KNOWING it will never happen.

However, I believe Newt will actively start deportation - and get that BORDER under control and work with Perry on this. That is #1! Perry has taken too much heat for illegals that really has been the gov't lack of doing the right thing. Ron Paul, Newt and Perry were speaking from honesty. Mitt and MB are speaking out their political butts to 'sound conservative' - liars!
58 posted on 11/23/2011 6:03:26 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Jim Noble
"THERE IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A MAJORITY FOR DEPORTATION OF MOST ILLEGALS."

"I think, on the whole, that this is a bad thing, because it is a symptom of weakness in our culture - but just because I think that doesn't mean we should nominate a man certain to lose because of a pro-deportation stance."

"A position to the right of Obama on this question can attract majority support."

Be careful, if you spout too much common sense, you need to watch your back.
103 posted on 11/23/2011 7:28:03 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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