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To: ngat

>> Yes, everybody knows MNJohnnie’s agenda, but it is Newt who is in the news because he is the alleged frontrunner who just had a Rick Perry moment last night. <<

That’s a pretty accurate statement. I would call it a semi Perry moment. Of course, it begs one question and muddies another truth.

The question is, do we really think under any circumstances that there will be any “rounding up” of illegals for the purpose of deportation? Of course not, under any President.

And the main point it muddies? That we must start by stopping the bleeding: CLOSE THE BORDER. If we don’t do that, then nothing else matters.

And on that issue, I think they all agree. So until that happens, nothing about what happens later is even going to effect our lives.


23 posted on 11/23/2011 5:40:12 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

So Newt has begged the illegal immigration question and muddied the truth. No, he has done way more than that. he just disqualified himself for the nomination. He just undid all the slow progress he has made since he was written off as a factor last summer.

I’m going to quote what dirtboy said about it in another thread, and leave it there.

“This one sentence shows all that is wrong with the Beltway types.

OK, Ginrich is willing to ‘take the heat’ - but what does that mean?

Wow, he might not get the nomination. Big whup. He goes back to raking in the bucks from his Beltway influence peddling - which also gives him the money to be insulated from the consequences of this country pandering to illegals.

He makes enough money to live in a gated community.

He can go to a high-end hospital not overwhelmed by treating illegals, as mandated by the fedgov (all in the name of humanity, mind you).

And he makes enough to where taxes needed to pay for welfare and bennies for illegals don’t take a big proportional bite out of his paycheck.

So in other words, he is oblivious to the impact that his perceived ‘humanity’ has on working stiffs.

And that is EXACTLY what is wrong with him as GOP nominee.”


40 posted on 11/23/2011 5:54:35 AM PST by ngat
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The question is, do we really think under any circumstances that there will be any “rounding up” of illegals for the purpose of deportation? Of course not, under any President.

We did it under President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback started in northern California and worked its’ way south rounding up and deporting illegals every step of the way.(Some were actually sent deep into Mexico to prevent their rapid return.) By the time the operation reached Arizona there were no illegals left to send home. They had all self deported from AZ,NM,and TX.

Today any such operation would have to carve out exceptions like Gingrich described, but, if the border were secured, would drastically reduce the number of illegals in this country and document the remainder.

The next step would be to tighten our visa controls. This is a problem that can be solved if we start thinking of illegals as trespasers and stop calling them immigrants.


67 posted on 11/23/2011 6:09:54 AM PST by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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