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To: GeronL

“Open revolt” means, at the very least:

1. You, personally, will be cuffed, booked, jailed, charged, tried, and, if found guilty, imprisoned;

2. You will lose your job and/or business, and with it your income;

3. You family will suffer both economic hardship and the emotional trauma of having a criminal for a father;

4. Your plans for the future will be drastically curtailed, delayed, or eliminated;

5. Upon release, you will be ostracized by your friends and loved ones;

6. You will never again be able to own a firearm;

7. Your right of movement may be severely restricted;

8. You will be watched by law enforcement for the rest of your life;

9. Everything you own will be taken away from you;

10. Your life as you have known it will end.

Are you ready to suffer these things? Picture your wife and children watching federal agents haul you away at gunpoint. Picture them talking to you through glass in a prison visiting room. Picture living in poverty for the rest of your life. That is what your life will be like if you openly revolt.

I’m not saying “open revolt” is a bad thing. I’m saying that anyone contemplating it had better be damned sure they know what they are signing on for. I’m saying that anyone who has any illusions of leading a mass movement against tyranny, or even of becoming a martyr for the cause, is fooling themselves. Once Fedgov comes for you, your fellow All-American, Don’t-Tread-On-Me Minutemen will suddenly discover 1,776 reasons to be somewhere else. They will disappear, then you will disappear, and no one will care or even notice. Mel Gibson will not run to your aid with a flag in his hand. Jim Robinson will not pay for your legal defense. Rush Limbaugh will not give you a job when you get out of Leavenworth. You will be left alone to face the power of the entire Machine.

They shot Randy Weaver’s wife through the head in her own front door. Nobody did anything to help them. Nobody will do anything to help you if you openly revolt.

The federal government may seem like a splay-feathered, broken-winged old eagle, but I assure you that it only seems that way. Anyone that openly defies it had better be ready to feel the beak and talons — the kind that draw blood.


20 posted on 11/20/2011 1:09:55 AM PST by Space Patrol Hoppa
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa

So when the government decides to order you to spend money you don’t have on services/products you don’t need/want/can’t afford....

we should do what? sit and wait for it to collapse?


23 posted on 11/20/2011 2:45:21 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa

” I’m saying that anyone who has any illusions of leading a mass movement against tyranny, or even of becoming a martyr for the cause, is fooling themselves. “

It seems, to this untrained eye, that we’ve reached that awkward point in history, where we are starting to feel the need for modern-day incarnations of Adams, Madison, Hamilton, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, et.al., - but not yet reached the ‘critical mass’ which will be necessary to bring such leaders forward...

I think (hope!) they’re out there - it’s just not quite their time, yet....


28 posted on 11/20/2011 4:06:21 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa

Quote: They shot Randy Weaver’s wife through the head in her own front door. Nobody did anything to help them. Nobody will do anything to help you if you openly revolt.

Very true.
The powerful understand, perhaps rely on this point to preserve their power. And that has served them well.
Until we have nothing left to lose.....


32 posted on 11/20/2011 4:27:30 AM PST by WeldonsRight (Right and (apparently) wrong at the same time)
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa
I’m saying that anyone who has any illusions of leading a mass movement against tyranny

What do you think the T-Party is about? What do you think the Oath Keepers are about? Do you have any clue what cemented the culture in some states (TX included) toward hating abusive government. To resist tyranny does not require breaking the law at this point. Speaking of breaking the law. What do you think the useful idiots that Obozo's OWS crowd is paying to live in parks is doing? Seems some of those vile creatures have been arrested.

"Rebellion to Tyrants is obedience to God"

Reverse side of the First Committee U.S. seal proposal.

The first committee consisted of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams.

Franklin chose an allegorical scene from Exodus, described in his notes as "Moses standing on the Shore, and extending his Hand over the Sea, thereby causing the same to overwhelm Pharaoh who is sitting in an open Chariot, a Crown on his Head and a Sword in his Hand. Rays from a Pillar of Fire in the Clouds reaching to Moses, to express that he acts by Command of the Deity." Motto, "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God."


44 posted on 11/20/2011 6:35:50 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa

Bookmark!


45 posted on 11/20/2011 6:45:19 AM PST by corlorde (Drone strikes: the preferred method of killing by Nobel peace prize winners since 2009)
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa
“Open revolt” means, at the very least:

1. You, personally, will be cuffed, booked, jailed, charged, tried, and, if found guilty, imprisoned;

2. You will lose your job and/or business, and with it your income;

Well, in that case, no revolution would ever succeed. However, as President Kennedy put it, those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

As to number 1, well they do have to get it all past a jury. After the Hutaree debacle it may well be that a jury will look very closely at politically motivated prosecutions. Abuse of prosecutorial discretion will add to the deligitimization of the current government.

A government under the thumb of a tyrant, but whose legitimacy is based on a carefully written and spelled out Constitution and Declaration of Independence, is readily moving towards serious political disequilibria. The question really becomes whether the current government and its backers are willing to spill enough blood to keep power.

With the death panels being implemented under Obamacare, it is clear that the current regime is Dracula-level bloodthirsty.

As to 2., there is a reason why the concept of political asylum exists. Even Lenin had to leave his homeland, to come back later by the Finland Station.

In apparent response to the claim of the President-Elect Obama and his entourage that he would "rule", the then President Bush made it clear that "govern" was the proper word in the USA. There is still hope, despite the sans coulotte Occupiers sharing similarities with the Nazi Revolution.

53 posted on 11/20/2011 7:27:19 AM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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