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Is the Wood Recently Found on Mt. Ararat from the Ark?
Answers in Genesis ^ | Nov. 9, 2011 | Andrew A. Snelling

Posted on 11/16/2011 7:49:05 AM PST by fishtank

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To: fishtank

No, of course not


61 posted on 11/16/2011 9:56:53 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Thorliveshere

Youe claim that “nowhere in Genesis does it say XXX years passed” is an outright falsehood.

Genesis chronicles many lives and gives years of lifespan.

Genesis also says that creation time periods were days, punctuated by light and dark, as in a day.


62 posted on 11/16/2011 9:57:07 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Jonty30
The point made in Genesis is that 'when' Adam begat Seth men began again to call upon the Lord. There were a lot of humans around who were not calling upon the Lord when Noah fianlly arrived. The descendants of Seth lived alongside the descendants of 'other lines from Adam, through Cain and perhaps also through Abel. We have no teaching from the Bible regarding possible Abel descendants.

And finally, what we may conclude now is that only descendants from Adam populate the human family. There had to have been a population of some kind in Nod else Cain could not have gone there and taken a wife from among them. It is not difficult for us, with our deeper understanding of genetics, to accept that a race of 'close to the same as Adam' were around when Adam and Eve were created and placed in a protective place. The differentiating factor with Adam and his descendants is the presence of something God added, the human spirit. This characteristic is now found in all of humankind since we are all now descendants from Adam and Eve, regardless of any other genetics ources mixed in.

63 posted on 11/16/2011 9:59:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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64 posted on 11/16/2011 10:03:16 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: RoadGumby; Thorliveshere
creation time periods were days

Yom Koo-Koo
65 posted on 11/16/2011 10:05:29 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: RoadGumby
Youe claim that “nowhere in Genesis does it say XXX years passed” is an outright falsehood.

Yes, yes, you're right. I apologize for that. Indeed, it does give lifespans and such, but I don't think all of the generations are given, so we can't add up concretely. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that the world was created in six days. I can add that right off the bat. Einsteins theories easily prove that God created the world in those days. It's after Adam's expulsion from the garden to today that I have questions about.

66 posted on 11/16/2011 10:10:24 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: campaignPete R-CT
not only will we believe in the young earth, we will believe in the small universe theory. The furthest galaxies are only 6000 light years away. But can we even believe in galaxies? Can we? I am afraid to say cuz I lapsed my subscription to the relevant periodical: Galactic Physics for Church Elders.

But a large cD galaxy can have a diameter of 6 million light-years across (the Milky Way is about 100,000 light-years across). Cannot be true. My theories have not caught on with much of the physics world.
67 posted on 11/16/2011 10:14:39 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: MHGinTN

The point of the Bible is to that it’s the story of the salvation of mankind.

There are obvious other truths that do exist, that have nothing to do with that story, whether it be scientific, historical, technological.

But I am convinced that, after God brings this current existence of ours to a close to begin our eternal existence, we will know everything.


68 posted on 11/16/2011 10:19:41 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

“Can you show me that he affirmed the exact dating of Genesis, that exactly, how ever many years prior to His existence on earth, Noah sailed in the Ark?”

Taking the details of the Genesis account literally does not require an exact date or chronology.

The issue here is literal versus figurative.


69 posted on 11/16/2011 10:21:32 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Well let’s not forget Einstein said time is relative and time dilation can be affected by the strength of gravitational fields. Astrophysics may not be the settled science you think it is - all science is subject to new discoveries and experiments. For instance did the little neutrino exceed the speed of light as the last experiment seemed to indicate in Switzerland?


70 posted on 11/16/2011 10:22:41 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I take the events as actually happened. I do believe in the creation of man. I do believe in the Flood. I do believe that everything Genesis teaches did happen.

I just quibble with Fundamentalists who think they can give me a date as to when it happened, yet the historical evidence for some of these happenings don’t jell with the Fundamentalist point of view.

Especially pre-flood dating.


71 posted on 11/16/2011 10:26:32 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: RoadGumby

“Genesis also says that creation time periods were days, punctuated by light and dark, as in a day.”

Source please (no, really). Are you just referring to “there was evening, and there was morning”?

I’ve found the arguments that say the “days” described can be LITERALLY interpreted as “epochs (varying time periods with a definitive beginning and end)” to be most compelling. This apparently valid interpretation appears to align with what is repeatedly seen in science (as observed today). Why would God want to try and “trick” us on what science repeatedly indicates the age of the universe/earth to be and change the way things “appear” (although I concede he could if he wanted to)? He may not tell us all, but it is not in his character trick us.


72 posted on 11/16/2011 10:27:10 AM PST by Mountain Dewd
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To: BrandtMichaels

quik quiz: what is the mass of a neutrino?
And how do they catch them as they pass through the earth?


73 posted on 11/16/2011 10:28:24 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: Mountain Dewd

Source? Well, none other that Genesis, Chapter 1 of the King James Bible. Read on:

3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

If you read the whole account, it is all given in ‘days’.

You are correct, God will not trick, or LIE, to us. That being the case, His Word must then be true.

Believe science fact, but understand that things such as the Big Bang and evolution are Theories only. Take God at His word. Believe in Him, and lean not to your own understanding.


74 posted on 11/16/2011 10:35:16 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Thorliveshere
The 6000 years is strongly implied in scripture in the genealogies.

The pre-flood geneaologies are stated as follows: "A was ### old when B was born." Therefore, you can construct a time line to the flood.

The post flood geneaologies are written a little loser but are still bounded.

AnswersInGenesis - Why Christians Shouldn't accept millions of years

More AnswersInGenesis articles some get really in depth expounding on all critics views.

75 posted on 11/16/2011 10:36:04 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: campaignPete R-CT

My understanding is the mass has not been measured.

Conjecture is that it has no mass, but if no mass,
then can a neutrino even exist?

For if mass goes to zero then energy goes to zero...

Along the same lines as the 0th law of thermodynamics
or why we can not reach absolute zero.


76 posted on 11/16/2011 10:41:59 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: RoadGumby

No one is claiming to believe in the big bang. Only that the historical dating by man for events like the flood are in error. There is too much evidence of civilizations older than 6000 years.
The words of God is infallible, but mans hearing and memory certainly is fallible. Just ask my grandma about my grampa. :)


77 posted on 11/16/2011 11:05:56 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: RoadGumby

This does not say the (days or epochs) were separated by darkness and light (a 24hr day). In fact, the text says light=day and dark=night, and goes on to use morning/evening instead of day/night to describe the time periods.

Also, I said nothing about evolution. Why couldn’t have God prepared the universe/earth for billion/millions of years before he created man (as God lives outside of time) and the Bible still be literal and true? Evolutionist need to earth to be old for their theory to hold water, but creationists don’t need the earth to be young for their theory too.

I agree the Bible can be 100% true and some can have a wrong understanding of it. The bible and the creation both speak to the truth of God, so I consider both of them like His word to us.


78 posted on 11/16/2011 11:41:02 AM PST by Mountain Dewd
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To: Izzy Dunne
Snelling is a wanker. We have chronologies of tree rings (Irish Pine and German oak) that match and go back 11,000 years. If this wacky idea Snelling pulled out of his arse had any merit, they would have zero C14. Instead the C14 matches (more or less) the Ring Cycle.

And the deviation corresponds to the variation in earth magnetic field strength from today's value, as measured by ancient pottery.

79 posted on 11/16/2011 12:50:17 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: Mountain Dewd

So you discount the terms “day”, “night”, “morning”, “evening” as meaning something other than a day. That being the case, how should God have described a period of time that is a day?


80 posted on 11/16/2011 1:05:43 PM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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