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To: Noumenon

Unfortunately, the common man is showing that he doesn’t give a s..t. I wonder what percentage of citizens have even read the constitution, what percentage of natural born citizens?

I don’t know anything about Quigley’s politics but he seemed like an old time Democrat. Back when they were still controlled by patriots of a sort.

Quigley’s scenarios for the collapses build for centuries until the invasions. I see no possibility of an invasion ending ours.


21 posted on 11/15/2011 11:03:46 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: arrogantsob
I see no possibility of an invasion ending ours.

Invasions don't have to include tanks and helicopter gunships.

The New Conquistadores have been invading us for decades.

23 posted on 11/16/2011 3:48:35 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: arrogantsob
Patriotism, love of liberty, and a solid knowledge of our founding principles and the philosohpy behind them have become a matter of surface habit and custom as opposed to something understood and deeply held. Habit and custom are easily manipulated, as the dark, dark history of the twentieth century has shown. Charles Fukuyama, writing in Trust, says, "While the American founding was highly self-conscious and rational, subsequent generations of Americans accepted the principles of the founding not because they gave them the same conscious consideration as the Founding Fathers, but because they were traditional."

Didn't the 0bamunist crowd promise us that they were going to ..."change our conversation, change our history?" And hasn't that been the goal of every will to power-driven utopianist who seeks to effect the New Man?

Speaking to the Quigley's take on the evolution of civilizations, he's essentially correct - as are you when you observe that in th past, these stages have taken place over centuries. Not so much in modern times, though. Quantum leaps in communication and travel have acted as a catalyst to greatly speed up - and in some cases, leapfrog - some of the Quiglean evolutionary stages.

24 posted on 11/16/2011 8:24:56 AM PST by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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