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Mohler is at the Annual Meetings and was and is a major part of the GCR leadership. The GCR group is pushing the entire agenda mentioned - including a weaking of the Cooperative Program, which I didn’t mention.

Mohler’s main interest in all of this is not personal financial gain, but financial and other gain for his institution.

As for Bob Allen’s article, do you have any evidence whatever that Mohler was misquoted? When confronted on this Mohler hasn’t denied that he said these things but instead just tried to walk them back and “contextualize” them.

“Homophobia” is a smear invented by sodomites. If you knew anything about this issue you would understand references to Bowers, Maqdsen and Kirk, and Lawrence. I don’t have the time to educate you on these things, but the intent of the sodomites has always been to have the debate conducted within the conceptual framework and language that they have created. The SBC leadership, including Mohler, are now well within the intellectual killing field the sodomites have created for that debate. Because they have accepted those terms of debate, they are now smearing their own people in this and other areas (e.g. do you know you are a racist according to Frank Page if you oppose quotas in leadership and amnesty?).

The Bible condemns sodomites and their practices in the strongest terms possible. What we owe them in agape is the full gospel, not “nice” or “understanding”. Moreover, I don’t know anyone who would fail to invite anyone, including a sodomite, to church to hear the Gospel. Baptists have many failings, but an unwillingness to invite someone to church is not one of them.

There is no “unreasonable” fear of sodomites. In fact, the situation is just the reverse. We tolerate them, look the other way, and are mostly, now, intimidated by them, which is how that sodomite Sandusky got away with raping those boys. The Bible tells us what is wrong with these people and why. The problem is not that we have been insufficiently “nice” or excessively “fearful”, but rather that the church has been cowardly on the issue. Now, in a misguided attempt to shore up falling membership, the leadership of the SBC, including Mohler, is now shamelessly accommodating itself to the culture.

What you now have is a leadership group that will talk all day about being Inerrantists, but who are consistently taking small steps to inject social liberalism into the Convention.

What Mohler and others are doing, wittingly or not, is what was being done in the Mainline Protestant denominations 30 to 40 years ago. The result is going to be either a Second Conservative Resurgence or a withering away of the Convention, which has already begun. In fact at least one member of the Executive Committee is withholding financial support from his church over these very issues.

You may not like Bob Allen, although I doubt you know him personally, but what he has written is accurate. Aiken, Mohler, Rainer, Stetzer, Hunt, Jonathan Merritt, Page, Ezell, and many others are driving the GCR train, and it is headed for a wreck. At some point the pastors of small and medium sized churches will figure out what is happening, and the consequences will be severe.

A year or so ago I would have pointed with pride to Mohler as an example of someone who is a strength of the SBC. Unfortunately, he has joined with others to pursue a destructive path.

achilles2000,

You have failed to answer two question. I asked you to post and substantiate quotes/sources by Dr. Mohler which support your accusations. You haven’t provided any. Bob Allen’s article does not qualify.

Furthermore, I asked you to your to state your spiritual beliefs, and more directly, what are your theological principles.

Of course I don’t know Bob Allen personally. Our discussion has nothing to do with Bob Allen personally. We were discussing his article, not the man.

“Homophobia” is a smear...” is nonsense. I’m not addressing their interpretation or use of the word. I speaking in terms of root meaning and sexual orientation. The sodomites did not create the word “phobia”.

I must log off, but will return later this evening-or hope to-with another response.

Good day,
TJI