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To: achilles2000

Here’s another response to your lies, attacks, and the authors false claims:

Here’s Dr. Mohler’s views, not Bob Allen’s, on the subject:

“The Church and the ‘Clobber Scriptures’ — The Bible on Homosexuality

Friday, June 3, 2011

Is the Church guilty of beating people with the Bible? As strange as that argument might sound, it is actually a powerful weapon in the hands of those who are determined to normalize homosexuality and same-sex marriage within the Church. Those pushing for the acceptance of homosexuality now argue that Christians opposed to that agenda are “clobbering” sinners with the biblical text.”

Dr. Mohler concludes his article with this:

“Without a knowledge of our sinfulness, we do not know of our need for a Savior. In this sense, we all need to be “clobbered” by the Bible so that we will know of our need for Christ.

God loved sinful humanity so much that he gave us the Bible — and the Law — in order that we might know with revealed specificity the truth about our own sinfulness. Then, we truly celebrate what it means that “God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” [John 3:16]

The Bible’s condemnation of same-sex behaviors is comprehensive and clear. It is interwoven with the Bible’s message concerning God’s plan for humanity, marriage, and society — and the Gospel. Human flourishing is found only by living in obedience to God’s revealed plan. Our rebellion against the Creator is never so insidious as when we declare that our own plan is superior to his.

When the Bible, in part or in whole, is dismissed as “clobber Scriptures,” it is not only the Bible that is subverted, but also the Gospel. The Church must recognize that fact clearly — and fast.”


40 posted on 11/11/2011 10:59:59 PM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

There were no false claims. If you so much as attended an Annual Meeting, you would have heard this sort of thing from the leadership - more accomodation to sodomites, overtures to the environmentalists, pushing for amnesty, and insistence on “diversity” policies - not to mention movement toward the “emerging church”. I have attended Annual Meetings for years, know many leaders, and have seen the trend developing.

Bob Allen’s report is accurate. I have seen and heard these things myself from the leadership. Of course, when you want to change things without losing revenues, you continue to muddy the water by telling the traditionalists what they want to hear most of the time. That way they can ignore or deny what is really happening.

Until a year ago, I never would have thought Mohler would be involved in the things he has been doing. To that extent, I sympathize with you.


54 posted on 11/12/2011 8:32:34 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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