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It is right there in section 7.6. The link points to Jones Beene at Vortex, where as usual, I like what Jed Rothwell has to say. How do you hide 54 tons of it? 7.6. Combustible "Water" Proposed by : Jones Beene Vortex The water supply is not, in fact, water, but a combustible liquid which looks like water. In the category of clear water-based liquids which burn cleanly enough to be used indoors, and which could be confused with water in a testing arrangement (since it would be so unexpected as the 'trick' used to pull-off the deception) - there are several choices. These are miscible and with 40-50% water and the resultant blend would be combustible at that dilution level - would go undetected by a group of observers who assumed that it was water. All of these ingredients would be expected to be legitimately found in any company which produces or evaluates alternative fuels - and if the ruse was discovered prematurely . "oops, Igor, you brought in the wrong container," or else "yes, our municipal water is very polluted here". ... Hydrogen peroxide produces only steam. HOOH is more viscous than water, but appears colorless in solution. It is both an oxidant an a propellant. When used in a blend, it would provide free oxygen and steam, so that air is not needed to combust the other ingredients (or less is needed). ... ---------------------------------------------------------- Re: [Vo]:Clear, odorless, water-based & combustible Jed Rothwell Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:06:51 -0700 Jones Beene wrote: Considerably less than the $100 million Euros that a Greek investor might > be willing to advance …. > Ha, ha. And how would this work now that they are testing it in Rossi's absence? I imagine they will notice. Surely the hidden tank will run out, or they will try another source of water. > BTW – calculations based on heat content can be thrown out the window with > peroxide blends, which produce cold steam with less energy than seems > physically possible … > What is "cold steam"? This stuff boils at 150°C, it seems. The Rossi device steam is 101°C, if you believe thermometers work. - Jed ------------------------------------------------- Re: [Vo]:Clear, odorless, water-based & combustible Jed Rothwell Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:46:41 -0700 Mark Iverson wrote: Items 5 and 7 are not fitting with the details that Rossi has stated, which > is that he ONLY receives money when the plant is producing energy... so > there is no "up-front cash". Don't think that the scenario is consistent > with first-hand information... > My impression is that Jones Beene made up this scenario, as a hypothetical. It is another "Just So Story." As such, it is harmless. In real life, this scenario cannot be squared with the fact that tests at U. Bologna are continuing, and units will probably be delivered to universities in Sweden. Obviously, any tricks would be revealed by these tests. Rossi is not going to install 50-ton tanks of chemicals in these universities. None of the tricks listed by Alan Fletcher would survive these tests either. Most of them would be detected in a few minutes by any half-awake person. Some of them are interesting mind-experiments, but in real life we can rule them out. Fletcher's speculation is harmless too, but it causes a minor annoyance: some of the skeptics take these ideas seriously. The Wikipedia article on the E-Cat now has a pointer to them. We cannot blame Fletcher for what skeptics do. They will find any number of reasons to deny this. I expect they will soon erase the Wikipedia article. They do not matter. - Jed -----------------------------------------------------